To think job adverts should state the pay

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I really annoys me that more and more jobs in my chosen career don’t clarify the pay. It varies widely and from those that do state pay can range from £30k in London (because there’s competition and they know someone will accept that) to £150k from organisations that value the role. I’m currently earning somewhere comfortably in between but wouldn’t bother applying for lower range roles. Increasingly, adverts aren’t giving the pay grade at all.

I don’t understand - I don’t want to waste my time but equally I don’t want to waste theirs.

if you are an employer, please state the pay in your advert!

Also with the employers trying to match pay to your current pay.

I went for a job advertised as 55k when I was on 45k at the time. The job required far greater responsibility than my current job, and requiring a different skillset to my current job (which I had from a previous role)

They tried to offer me 50k based on my current role. I firmly pointed out that my current role was only worth 45k, this role was worth 55k based on what they required and my current rate for a different job was completely irrelevant. They tried to up it to 55k but at that point I wasn't interested. If they know the job is worth 55k but try to bargain you down they are probably shitty employers.

Nah. Life is too short to be chasing after bad job adverts.

The advert is the start of the selection process, on both sides. There is a reason they are hiding it. It’s not going to be a good reason.

Totally agree with this too!

A lot of jobs in my industry go via recruiters. I won't apply for a role unless I know what the pay range is in advance.

Some companies post jobs without pay scales. I ignore those.

It's only in the interests of the employer to do this. It's shitty and a waste of everyone's time. Probably the type of employers who don't bother to let applicants know if their application has been unsuccessful.

I am advertising at the moment for a team role where the salary could be anything between £40K and £70K depending on experience. If I quote that range you can bet your bottom dollar I’m going to get someone at the £40K level who thinks he or she should be paid top whack

My company don’t advertise salaries on internal roles and when I helped at a recruitment event we were told
if any candidates asked
about salary that would be a red mark against them because we want to know if they want to work here and do this job. I think this is nonsense.

Not advertising salaries is a way of paying women and younger people less, in my opinion. No reason why it should not be obligatory, at least in the public sector or for work outsourced by the public sector.

The experience of the candidate shouldn't matter. If the role is worth X amount, they should be paid X. If you think they're not worth it, don't hire them.

I can, sort of, understand not posting an upper number but surely it would be helpful to post the lower level of the salary range.

Job application take a lot of time why waste peoples time by hiding potential salary ranges. It's a really shitty thing to do.

Also be more specific where it is. Noticed esp agencies put West Midlands or East Midlands or say Hampshire. That' covers a big Area and you might not be able to commute there.

It also wastes the EMPLOYER's time, which is why I find it strange.
The experience of several rounds of interviews... solo interviews, technical interviews, panel interviews. Only to find that the salary is lower than what I already have.
What have both sides achieved?
Nothing.
But the company has soured its reputation...

The best people have plenty of options, surely your aim isn't to attract those who have little choice.

Also to add if you're a large, well-known company that EVERYONE wants to work for crack on. Don't need a salary, the prestige and reputation probably precedes you.
But there are plenty of unknown companies doing this. Even after having the position vacant for 6+ months, paying specialist recruiters they still haven't' gotten the message.

Totally agree with this - and the comment about if you advertise in a range you end up with people overpricing themselves im genuinely confused - surely you just sift their CV out or sift them out after interview if thats the case...
I do also wonder - my company also has a 'range' (for example 30k - 50k) but my issue is that what a person is 'worth' is literally never taken into account again. They wont get any different kind of support or training, it wouldnt impact what targets they'd be expected to reach, or how they would be reviewed at the end of the year. Its literally not taken into account again. The expectation on them is the same regardless of if they hired somone fresh on 30k or someone whose been doing it 10 years on 50k. Is this the same in other companies or does the expectation of the person/role change according to how much they've agreed on? If that makes sense.

There are several ways to look at it.

The role is worth X to the business, so pay X. Which is what you said.

Or X is the amount required to secure someone with specific experience. The 'ideal' candidate. Someone with less experience might not be as efficient and cost the business more, so not worth as much.
I don't like this approach. Maybe because I have a history of going for stretch roles, but when my value becomes worth the initial 'top salary' the company doesn't increase my pay and I end up leaving.

Loads of other reasons:

• HR has just copy pasted pay range for specific grade, hiring manager has no idea.


• Company wants to hire specific person


• Negotiation tactic, they counteroffer when candidate rejects

Workload, expectations and training have always been everywhere I worked down to company/line manager outlook. Nothing to do with pay... as you said someone paid less doesn't get less work, or cut any slack.

Just contact the HR department and ask

Because the role and responsibility they will take on is dependent on experience

its not a difficult concept

I find it a bizarre practice; I never bother to apply. I can't be the only one - it must reduce the number of applicants.

I saw a weird job ad the other day - stated a wide pay range, then said to ignore the stated pay range, why would pay more for the right candidate🙄

Salaries in our industry are fairly consistent within about 10 grand or so for similar roles

i can look at a cv and guess a candidate’s current salary within about 5 grand

I agree, I work in recruitment and its so painful when our clients ask us to not post the salary. Sometimes we're not allowed to even say the location or client it would be working with. And then they get frustrated when we get no interest.