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To say this sign does NOT mean move over now

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DappledThings · 07/07/2022 18:41

Roadworks going on near me, a section of dual carriageway is temporarily reduced to one lane. As you join that section from a roundabout there is this sign (except with only one black arrow for the one lane staying open not two).

The second lane closes in 800 yards. At the closure point there is a standard circular blue sign with a white arrow to the left indicating the lane closes there and to merge into the left lane.

So every day I do that, merrily overtaking 50 or so cars sitting in the left lane for the entire 800 yards.

AIBU to consider that this sign means lane closing in 800 yards and merge where the arrow tells you to and not please pointlessly queue from this point leaving the lane empty for the full 800 yards.

Nobody ever looks pissed off at the merge point and I wouldn't think they had the right to be. I don't understand why everyone queues from so far back. It's so inefficient.

To say this sign does NOT mean move over now
OP posts:
ChateauxNeufDePoop · 07/07/2022 20:08

Misunderestimated · 07/07/2022 19:59

I'm 75% in the continuing lane, blocking 25% of the closing lane next to the armco to discourage late heroics.

Sorry but please don't do this. You're not the police and you're in the wrong. I get this seems to be a divisive thread but there's no room for opinion on this point - you're just wrong and dangerous.

Heroicallyl0st · 07/07/2022 20:08

DappledThings · 07/07/2022 20:01

OMG - OP, you shouldn’t have got me started! 😂
Sorry! Maybe use the image of car ballet that a PP described when everyone merges correctly as a calming thought!

Lol yes! … And breathe! 😂

StrawberryLipstickStateOfMind1 · 07/07/2022 20:09

ChateauxNeufDePoop · 07/07/2022 20:08

Sorry but please don't do this. You're not the police and you're in the wrong. I get this seems to be a divisive thread but there's no room for opinion on this point - you're just wrong and dangerous.

It's completely dickish.

Covidagainandagain · 07/07/2022 20:10

DappledThings · 07/07/2022 20:01

OMG - OP, you shouldn’t have got me started! 😂
Sorry! Maybe use the image of car ballet that a PP described when everyone merges correctly as a calming thought!

I think car ballet should be a thing, tutus and all

The people aggressively blocking people from merging can be the rat king and his army

DappledThings · 07/07/2022 20:11

Covidagainandagain · 07/07/2022 20:10

I think car ballet should be a thing, tutus and all

The people aggressively blocking people from merging can be the rat king and his army

I will be humming bits of The Nutcracker to myself next time I drive this road and enjoying it!

OP posts:
MiniMoosey · 07/07/2022 20:11

Being British definitely effects this!

I like to merge properly and often do but I do feel embarrassed because all the queuers are glaring at me. And I drive an Audi so I assume everyone thinks I’m a wanker anyway.

Donna1001 · 07/07/2022 20:11

My journey into work takes me on a road with these signs. Roadworks been going on for ages, & never looks any different!

anyway, I do exactly as you do, OP. I’ve never had a problem merging, but the other morning there was a dickhead lorry driver straddling both lanes to prevent anyone else from going past. Luckily I was already on front of him.

earlier this week, we had to use the same road on the way to my mother in laws funeral. We were in the funeral car, behind the hearse.we went down the right hand lane as the left hand lane was very long & we risked being late for the funeral otherwise. A lorry let the hearse in, ignoring us, splitting us away from the hearse. Road seems to attract dickhead lorry drivers it seems.

Sirius3030 · 07/07/2022 20:12

QuebecBagnet · 07/07/2022 18:57

I’ve always wondered about this and have heard the thing about zip merging being more efficient but from a physics pov i don’t get why people merging at the point of closure is more efficient than people merging 800yds previously.

if you still have 100 cars to change from 3 lanes to two lanes and get through a two lane gap it surely doesn’t make any difference where they merge? Am I being dim! 😂

Because you are driving slowly in 1 lane for 1600 m rather than driving slowly for just 800 m or whatever. It’s like everybody choosing not to use one lane of a dual carriageway.

Perfect28 · 07/07/2022 20:12

No I hate the people that don't merge and overtake everyone. If nothing else, it's really dangerous to be going fast when everyone else is stationary.

WeAreBob · 07/07/2022 20:13

Perfect28 · 07/07/2022 20:12

No I hate the people that don't merge and overtake everyone. If nothing else, it's really dangerous to be going fast when everyone else is stationary.

But you're wrong. You're the one doing it wrong.

DappledThings · 07/07/2022 20:14

Perfect28 · 07/07/2022 20:12

No I hate the people that don't merge and overtake everyone. If nothing else, it's really dangerous to be going fast when everyone else is stationary.

I do merge. I overtake AND I merge.

Joining the nearly stationary lane early is not merging, it is changing lanes. And unnecessarily changing lanes at that.

OP posts:
picklemewalnuts · 07/07/2022 20:14

The people driving fast down the empty lane are also making the problem worse. Don't congratulate yourself on being right, you are equally contributing to the problem.

The zip equally doesn't work if one half of the zip is going faster than the other.

Dibbydoos · 07/07/2022 20:15

Completely dislike people who like you feel they have a right to queue jump. YAB(Fing)U

I also completely dislike how we form these daft queues in UK. Filtering is def the best way to do this, but sadly people start a queue and others queue jump by driving past so fast they end up at the road closure and have to force tgeir way in, causing the queue to stop and get bigger. Congratulations OP

Clymene · 07/07/2022 20:16

Some people would rather sit in a mile of slow moving traffic than in half a mile of slow moving traffic if the latter means allowing someone who was going faster than them enter the lane of slow moving traffic further along.

There really is no accounting for stupid.

Bikeybikeface · 07/07/2022 20:17

To the people merging early and filling up the left lane, continue as you are please so I can skip up the right lane overtaking you all

Likeli · 07/07/2022 20:17

@picklemewalnuts but it does stop the traffic from unnecessarily clogging up the junction behind you.
Which I have seen plenty of time because some idiots don’t understand how to merge correctly. So there’s a whole lane left empty while people are queuing on the roundabout behind it and causing chaos.

DappledThings · 07/07/2022 20:18

picklemewalnuts · 07/07/2022 20:14

The people driving fast down the empty lane are also making the problem worse. Don't congratulate yourself on being right, you are equally contributing to the problem.

The zip equally doesn't work if one half of the zip is going faster than the other.

So loads of people are failing to drive correctly by sitting in a nearly stationary lane and due to their poor choices I should join them rather than driving correctly myself?

Not the most convincing argument.

OP posts:
NumberTheory · 07/07/2022 20:19

If it’s queuing traffic, then using all the lanes until the end is efficient.

If traffic is moving at a reasonable pace then those undertaking (in this instance) meaning that the lane they merge into has to slow down and let them merge in at the last possible minute choke throughput and make things slower for everyone.

WatchoRulo · 07/07/2022 20:20

100problems · 07/07/2022 19:01

I like to zip early rather than have my bumpers up against the closed lane, you know you've got to get over so why leave it to the last nano second.

Because it makes the queue longer.

DappledThings · 07/07/2022 20:21

Completely dislike people who like you feel they have a right to queue jump. YAB(Fing)U
Not queue jumping, driving in a legal and open lane that others are choosing to ignore of their own free will.

I also completely dislike how we form these daft queues in UK. Filtering is def the best way to do this, but sadly people start a queue and others queue jump by driving past so fast they end up at the road closure and have to force tgeir way in, causing the queue to stop and get bigger.
No forcing, just merging correctly. I've not had any issue merging at the merge point. Nobody has tried to block me, or looked pissed off or flashed or any such thing. Bizarrely despite choosing not to merge correctly themselves they don't seem to mind others doing it. Nor do I drive faster than the speed limit of the road or have to brake harshly. I brake gently and in timely fashion.

Congratulations OP
Ta!

OP posts:
picklemewalnuts · 07/07/2022 20:22

"So loads of people are failing to drive correctly by sitting in a nearly stationary lane and due to their poor choices I should join them rather than driving correctly myself?"

No, you match the speed of the slower lane, or just a tad faster, and merge in turn. That way, you don't make the slow lane slower.

Anything else perpetuates the problem.

EntertainingandFactual · 07/07/2022 20:22

StrawberryLipstickStateOfMind1 · 07/07/2022 20:05

I push in, I'm the one using the road properly..I always give a cheery thanks and a lights flash though😀

Good luck where I live! People drive bumper to bumper on purpose! No chance of nipping in further down the line!

Travis1 · 07/07/2022 20:22

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picklemewalnuts · 07/07/2022 20:22

Several people doing what you do moves the queue from slow to stationary.

ChateauxNeufDePoop · 07/07/2022 20:23

picklemewalnuts · 07/07/2022 20:14

The people driving fast down the empty lane are also making the problem worse. Don't congratulate yourself on being right, you are equally contributing to the problem.

The zip equally doesn't work if one half of the zip is going faster than the other.

No, because this wouldn't happen if there were multiple people in the right lane merging in turn. It would be two lanes crawling and joining together rather than one stopped and another at 40 mph doing nothing wrong.

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