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my landlord’s unable to absorb cost of living increase

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originstory · 02/07/2022 12:31

so he’s raising my rent during a 1 year contract. AIBU to refuse?

I got a letter from landlord saying my rent is going up by 5% (£40). he explains that he’s no longer able to continue absorbing rising costs so has to pass it onto his tenants. regrets having to do this, feels forced into it by circumstances beyond his control etc. if I had a rolling month to month contract, fair enough, I’ve had rent increases in previous properties which is just what happens. but I signed a 1 year contract in February so didn’t think he could raise the rent during that contract? my googling appears to back me up but maybe someone will tell me I’m wrong. however, I’m considering just sucking it up for an easier life. AIBU to dispute this?

reasons to dispute it:

  • I have a contract until Feb 2023 so I feel he’s being cheeky to increase rent during it. Obviously it will increase when that ends and converts to a month to month rolling contract, which is fine.
  • The cost of living increase is hitting ALL of us (and will continue to get worse) and I must admit I have less sympathy for a landlord who owns multiple properties than I do his tenants
  • I don’t have a high income (at all) due to reduced capacity for work due to a chronic illness, which he knows. in fact it’s so low that I started claiming UC for the first time last year, so I resent paying him an extra £40 a month that could go towards my gas bill or food shopping

reasons to just agree:

  • he’s a good landlord, sorts repairs and problems promptly and reasonably
  • he’s correct in that he’ll be paying more for hallway lighting etc
  • he’s a nice man so I’d feel bad saying ‘i’m not giving you more money, too bad’
  • 5% is a very reasonable increase so it seems stupid to cause problems over it. If it was more I’d have less of an issue saying no
  • I felt lucky to find a landlord to rent to me in the first place due to my low income/ being on UC so it would be stupid to sour our relationship over £40
  • If I refused to pay I’d be wondering if he’s going to get rid of me when the contract is up because I ‘caused trouble’ and then I’d be back in the position of not knowing if I can find anyone willing to rent to me. i had several agencies refuse to let me even view properties as I’m on UC (illegal but it still happens)
  • honestly, I don’t like confrontation and it’s simply easier to just agree

AIBU to dispute this?

OP posts:
FortonServices · 04/07/2022 14:48

@Eeksteek

So we can take it that you have less than 25% equity in the property (s) that you'd like to remortgage (surprising, given the increase in property prices over the last 5 years, unless you've been releasing equity to live off).

Or your income, from rental income and earnings, isn't enough for the banks to consider lending to you an acceptable risk.

Either way, rising inflation and interest rates are likely to see you in an increasingly precarious position.

EvilPea · 04/07/2022 14:52

Goingforarun · 04/07/2022 14:02

Just wondering. What’s the difference between when supermarkets, clothes shops etc sell their product at twice what it costs. And landlords

compare It to essentials like utilities or basic foods and offer no options other than driving for 2 hours (with the cost involved) and you’ve a comparison.

Eeksteek · 04/07/2022 15:04

dianthus101 · 04/07/2022 10:42

@Eeksteek Of course landlords are people and I'm sure some are nice people. However, I think you need to recognise that there are too many and this has in part, led to high house prices which has meant a whole generation are finding it very difficult to buy a house now. In that context you can't really expect people to feel that you are doing them a favour by being a landlord. If you don't want to be a landlord anymore sell up and get an income by working like most people do.

I do understand that. I would class my lets as part time work, and with a primary school child (for six of the last seven years) and little family help, I would have thought it was not in forgivable for me to use my late husband’s legacy as a supplementary income and work part time. It’s what I would have done if he was alive. It’s one way he can provide for her now. Especially given that it never makes me even an average single wage, and I’m hardly sitting back and raking it in. I do all I can on them myself - cleaning, decorating, repairs and maintenance, gardening, fetching and installing replacement furniture or appliances, disposing of old ones. inventory, inspections, viewings, contracts, deposit schemes, licences, advertising. And bloody re-financing. I used to do ten month lets for students, which is relatively time intensive, but worked well around school holidays (covid put a stop to that) You don’t just let it once, and sit back and take the money unless something breaks! (You might if you have a long term tenant and one house) you can’t have it both ways. Either I’m amateur with a little side hustle making a bit of extra cash, or a professional doing a job in a highly regulated (and rightly so) sector which makes me money from the capital and time I invest in it, just like any other business.

Why isn’t that work? Feels like work, when I deep clean three properties every June on my own. Or re-decorate one top to bottom every July. It would be work if I paid someone else to do it. It doesn’t ‘not count’ because it’s on a rental property. Also, if my husband had had a pension, and I was now living off that, who would care that I ‘wasn’t working’? It’s considerably more passive, pays fewer taxes and could be just as problematic invested in say, energy shares. Yet no one would even ask. Why scapegoat on property so much? It’s also keeping me off benefits and laying taxes (well, it was. Now, not so much) - or is that preferable? Also, do you know how much widowed parent’s benefits have been slashed? Cos I do, and it’s a disgrace.

I honestly think it’s a Tory ploy to get the renters vote. And then I think you need to be very careful about buying into it. Because if there’s one thing you can guarantee the Tory’s will protect, it’s their own interests, and for a lot them property will be part of that. And unlike me, they DGAF if you think they’re leeching-bastards trousering any cash they can, because they are. Divide and conquer. It won’t affect the actual bastards either (notice social housing is exempt from the latest EPC upgrades?) just the better ones, who try to provide decent properties for a decent return. And which landlords would you like to sell up and which to keep renting? The windows and pensioners like me, or say, the likes of Sir Slumlord-Peer-Hog’s Housing association empire, who is using his housing association to harvest taxpayers money via some of the poorest people in the ropiest properties and profit from housing benefit? And I’m getting in the neck for renting to students! (most of whom have first homes, and chose to go away to uni for the experience and lifestyle!)

dianthus101 · 04/07/2022 15:22

Eeksteek · 04/07/2022 15:04

I do understand that. I would class my lets as part time work, and with a primary school child (for six of the last seven years) and little family help, I would have thought it was not in forgivable for me to use my late husband’s legacy as a supplementary income and work part time. It’s what I would have done if he was alive. It’s one way he can provide for her now. Especially given that it never makes me even an average single wage, and I’m hardly sitting back and raking it in. I do all I can on them myself - cleaning, decorating, repairs and maintenance, gardening, fetching and installing replacement furniture or appliances, disposing of old ones. inventory, inspections, viewings, contracts, deposit schemes, licences, advertising. And bloody re-financing. I used to do ten month lets for students, which is relatively time intensive, but worked well around school holidays (covid put a stop to that) You don’t just let it once, and sit back and take the money unless something breaks! (You might if you have a long term tenant and one house) you can’t have it both ways. Either I’m amateur with a little side hustle making a bit of extra cash, or a professional doing a job in a highly regulated (and rightly so) sector which makes me money from the capital and time I invest in it, just like any other business.

Why isn’t that work? Feels like work, when I deep clean three properties every June on my own. Or re-decorate one top to bottom every July. It would be work if I paid someone else to do it. It doesn’t ‘not count’ because it’s on a rental property. Also, if my husband had had a pension, and I was now living off that, who would care that I ‘wasn’t working’? It’s considerably more passive, pays fewer taxes and could be just as problematic invested in say, energy shares. Yet no one would even ask. Why scapegoat on property so much? It’s also keeping me off benefits and laying taxes (well, it was. Now, not so much) - or is that preferable? Also, do you know how much widowed parent’s benefits have been slashed? Cos I do, and it’s a disgrace.

I honestly think it’s a Tory ploy to get the renters vote. And then I think you need to be very careful about buying into it. Because if there’s one thing you can guarantee the Tory’s will protect, it’s their own interests, and for a lot them property will be part of that. And unlike me, they DGAF if you think they’re leeching-bastards trousering any cash they can, because they are. Divide and conquer. It won’t affect the actual bastards either (notice social housing is exempt from the latest EPC upgrades?) just the better ones, who try to provide decent properties for a decent return. And which landlords would you like to sell up and which to keep renting? The windows and pensioners like me, or say, the likes of Sir Slumlord-Peer-Hog’s Housing association empire, who is using his housing association to harvest taxpayers money via some of the poorest people in the ropiest properties and profit from housing benefit? And I’m getting in the neck for renting to students! (most of whom have first homes, and chose to go away to uni for the experience and lifestyle!)

I didn't say there was no work involved but cleaning three times a year and occasionally decorating is a pretty minimal amount of work in terms of hours and certainly less than most people who have part time jobs.

Kennykenkencat · 04/07/2022 20:01

FortonServices · 04/07/2022 11:51

@SofiaSoFar

I've just withdrawn from a purchase and the market is very different from when I was last looking, 3 months ago.

No more booking an open day as 1 of 30 viewers, a week in advance. Now - just phone agent and book in a convenient time. Now - I was 1 of 3 viewers this week for a newly marketed property.

3 months ago was best and final offers within 48 hours of open day. Now call from agent for feedback after viewing, not going to best and final, just send offer over when ready, do I have any questions, would I like a 2nd viewing, at a time that would suit me? They can do an evening if that works best.

Standard family house in popular area of large city (not London).

Isn’t this what happens with housing and FTBs.

When the property market becomes uncertain and prices start to soften it is not the FTBS who are running to snap up a bargain. They go to ground, too nervous that they will not get their money back or make a mistake or and it the btl landlords who hoover up more properties.

Except now it isn’t to rent out to a family, it’s for a furnished monthly rental

The few people I know who did do btl are now doing Airbnb monthly let’s to families between houses or people working away during the week or just for tourists who are visiting the capitol instead of braving the airports
They can get their mortgage interest against tax. No one doesn’t ever pay as they get the money upfront and if the customer refuses to leave at the end of their stay then the police can get them out.

Nothappyatwork · 04/07/2022 22:10

Kennykenkencat · 04/07/2022 20:01

Isn’t this what happens with housing and FTBs.

When the property market becomes uncertain and prices start to soften it is not the FTBS who are running to snap up a bargain. They go to ground, too nervous that they will not get their money back or make a mistake or and it the btl landlords who hoover up more properties.

Except now it isn’t to rent out to a family, it’s for a furnished monthly rental

The few people I know who did do btl are now doing Airbnb monthly let’s to families between houses or people working away during the week or just for tourists who are visiting the capitol instead of braving the airports
They can get their mortgage interest against tax. No one doesn’t ever pay as they get the money upfront and if the customer refuses to leave at the end of their stay then the police can get them out.

Two properties I looked at near the city Centre were currently rented out to what appeared to be refugees, there were three bedrooms two reception rooms and a kitchen and literally every room was occupied with the family. I refuse to go upstairs to view one of them because two guys were actually asleep in their beds.

Let’s estimate each of those families are paying £100 a week that’s £2000 a month absolute minimum and if it’s a per room arrangement they can be kicked out with “reasonable notice”
so no courts to go through no long, convoluted process. And attitudes to landlords like the ones up the thread are the reason why families are gonna struggle to rent.

Lineala · 04/07/2022 22:14

dianthus101 · 04/07/2022 15:22

I didn't say there was no work involved but cleaning three times a year and occasionally decorating is a pretty minimal amount of work in terms of hours and certainly less than most people who have part time jobs.

You've obviously never seen a student house at the end of the year 🤣🤣

Lineala · 04/07/2022 22:20

Nothappyatwork · 04/07/2022 22:10

Two properties I looked at near the city Centre were currently rented out to what appeared to be refugees, there were three bedrooms two reception rooms and a kitchen and literally every room was occupied with the family. I refuse to go upstairs to view one of them because two guys were actually asleep in their beds.

Let’s estimate each of those families are paying £100 a week that’s £2000 a month absolute minimum and if it’s a per room arrangement they can be kicked out with “reasonable notice”
so no courts to go through no long, convoluted process. And attitudes to landlords like the ones up the thread are the reason why families are gonna struggle to rent.

This is untrue. Whether it's a room only rental arrangement or a complete house, the law is absolutely the same. A requirement for 2 months notice, then an application to court for a possession order.

You are conflating ASTs with excluded occupiers.

Please don't post this crap because people might believe you and be misled as to their statutory rights.

Nothappyatwork · 04/07/2022 22:27

Lineala · 04/07/2022 22:20

This is untrue. Whether it's a room only rental arrangement or a complete house, the law is absolutely the same. A requirement for 2 months notice, then an application to court for a possession order.

You are conflating ASTs with excluded occupiers.

Please don't post this crap because people might believe you and be misled as to their statutory rights.

No I’m not confusing anything, they’re going to say that they are excluded occupiers. Whether the landlord lives there or not. Thats what the contract will state no doubt.

However when I asked the question how can you have this up for sale when there are tenants in the property I was told that these refugees (I pressume) were given accommodation by another agency who sign the tenancy on their behalf and therefore guarantee to be out with 2 months notice, they also guaranteed all repairs to be done upon vacation including cleaning.

FortonServices · 04/07/2022 22:30

@Nothappyatwork

Good luck keeping them to that "contract".

Nothappyatwork · 04/07/2022 22:32

FortonServices · 04/07/2022 22:30

@Nothappyatwork

Good luck keeping them to that "contract".

The last time I rented a room in 2000 the landlord just change the locks on people if their rent wasn’t paid by teatime the day it was due, that contract was enforced with a baseball bat if need be was pretty effective.

Lineala · 04/07/2022 23:41

Nothappyatwork · 04/07/2022 22:27

No I’m not confusing anything, they’re going to say that they are excluded occupiers. Whether the landlord lives there or not. Thats what the contract will state no doubt.

However when I asked the question how can you have this up for sale when there are tenants in the property I was told that these refugees (I pressume) were given accommodation by another agency who sign the tenancy on their behalf and therefore guarantee to be out with 2 months notice, they also guaranteed all repairs to be done upon vacation including cleaning.

You can call a horse a cow but it's still a horse. Courts are very well versed in contracts purporting to be excluded occupier agreements when they are in fact ASTs and believe it or not landlords and tenants are required to provide proof and witnesses etc of the true legal position. I've represented in many cases such as this, and judges are pretty good at sussing the bullshit. The last reported case of illegal eviction was a fine of 23k for the landlord and that was a few years ago.

You refer to refugees. It may be the occupants had no right to rent and so were under the radar. Or they may be housed on behalf of the LA in which case they are housed under the Housing Act 1996 Section 193(2) duty

My point is you are presenting as fact only 2 months notice is required. You are wrong. If they were excluded occupiers reasonable notice is required, not 2 months. If they are in an AST 2 months notice does not bring a tenancy to an end.

Misleading readers as to the law and their rights is never a good idea because its confusing for them, they may believe you and lose their home as a consequence.

Lineala · 04/07/2022 23:44

And you can claim interest costs on mortgages providing you are not in the 40% tax category.

SwanBuster · 04/07/2022 23:58

Nothappyatwork · 04/07/2022 22:32

The last time I rented a room in 2000 the landlord just change the locks on people if their rent wasn’t paid by teatime the day it was due, that contract was enforced with a baseball bat if need be was pretty effective.

And you had the audacity to call me a c**t earlier 😂 you really are a piece of work.

Eeksteek · 05/07/2022 00:49

Lineala · 04/07/2022 23:44

And you can claim interest costs on mortgages providing you are not in the 40% tax category.

People always confuse this. You get 20% tax relief on your mortgage interest, whatever you earn. Although clearly you ought to ask @dianthus101 because she knows all about my work. How long it takes and everything. Do you generally dispute what people’s work entails despite your non-experience in it, or is that another landlord thing? I’d estimate about 15 hours a week, although it’s nothing like that regular. All the childcare hours I had June, July, September and January, almost nothing in August, December and March. Something in between February, April, May, October and November. Students are very hard on properties, and re-let every year.

Lineala · 05/07/2022 01:17

@Eeksteek yes you are quite right I missed out the word full 🙄

Eeksteek · 05/07/2022 07:44

Lineala · 05/07/2022 01:17

@Eeksteek yes you are quite right I missed out the word full 🙄

Then I apologise for the excessive pendanty! (I read it as though there was no tax relief nor higher rate tax payers.). It’s actually one thing I thought was very was very un-Tory like and fair to lower income landlords (stop laughing)

dianthus101 · 05/07/2022 09:43

Eeksteek · 05/07/2022 00:49

People always confuse this. You get 20% tax relief on your mortgage interest, whatever you earn. Although clearly you ought to ask @dianthus101 because she knows all about my work. How long it takes and everything. Do you generally dispute what people’s work entails despite your non-experience in it, or is that another landlord thing? I’d estimate about 15 hours a week, although it’s nothing like that regular. All the childcare hours I had June, July, September and January, almost nothing in August, December and March. Something in between February, April, May, October and November. Students are very hard on properties, and re-let every year.

How do you know that I haven't got any experience of cleaning, decorating, students or being a landlord?

FortonServices · 05/07/2022 19:56

www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-07-05/uk-households-can-withstand-rates-of-up-to-5-boe-says?srnd=premium-uk

5% base rates mean 6-7% mortgage rates.

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