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To wonder how the hell other people manage it?

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BeatieBourke · 29/06/2022 20:13

Sorry this is so long.

I've been working full time for almost a month. I retrained during the pandemic and was lucky enough enough to land a really good job straight away. Not amazing mo ey but much better than we're used to, good for round here, and a good step on a career ladder.

DH also works full time and we have one DS,6, nearly 7. Before covid I was at home as he'd not long started school. Then during covid my study fitted pretty well around school (thanks, online lectures!). I've always done most of the school runs at the usual time and park/playtime/quiet time at home after. Towards the end of my course DS did after school club til 4.30 a couple of days days week and loved it. He was often disappointed on days I picked him up at 3.15.

DS is now in wraparound breakast/after school clubs 4 days a week. He goes in between 8 and 8.45 and gets home between 4.30 and 5 depending on the day, with earlier starts meaning earlier pickups. We live 5 minutes from school. He's always enjoyed school and has a nice group of friends.

I think DS is struggling with the change and / or the extra hours out of the house. He is moody, argumentative, fickle, has an answer for everything and will point blank refuse to do whatever the thing is that we've asked of him. Come and get up the table please - it's your favourite! Time to brush your teeth, Turn the TV off, Let's play a game! all met with either "no" or finding the most long winded way around as possible to be avoid doing the thing. He gets surly and sarcastic. He is given calm, clear patient responses, then the consequence clearly spelled out, then the consequence. So: "I've asked you three times to get your pajamas on, if I have to ask you again we'll have to go straight to bed without a a downstairs story" (We always have an in bed story). One. Two. Three. OK, we don't have time for a story now so upstairs for a story in bed please". At which point he either gets inconsolably upset and begs for the story, or refuses to go upstairs. And repeat.

Occasionally, after much of this, I lose my rag and raise my voice. Never screaming. Just a raised voice "I won't ask you again, upstairs now please". Cue inconsolable again. Crying. "I'm sorry. I'm so stupid. It's my fault. I don't deserve a story" (we have never said these things-i don't know where he gets them from and its a bit distressing tbh, but also has the desired effect iyswim). This happens almost every day.

He's always been a cheerful, sunny, funny, happy little boy. This is making everyone's life miserable. I feel incredibly guilty that my working is causing this problem, but I can't afford not to. I could work fewer hours, but not on anywhere near the same pay. We don't have loads of money, we're both on fairly average wages, just beyond the threshold of universal credit.

How the hell do other families make this work? There must be other families with two parents in full time work, surely!? Can you all afford nannys? Do you all have parents who pick the kids up from school? Do the kids just cope better with it after a while?

I think this is made worse by the fact that he's always been an early riser, and this doesn't change when he's had a later night. More tired doesn't = more sleep. In fact it often seems to equal less, as though the adrenaline of being over tired makes him wake up at 5am rather than 5.45, and then he gets even more strung out.

I'm simultaneously wound up by the behaviour and also feel incredibly sorry for him that we can't give him a life that's not such a hamster wheel. Ordinarily I'd think, just hang on until the summer holidays, but then the poor kid is being farmed out to friends, family, or activity clubs 4 days a week and stuck at home with me on my work from home day for the fifth.

I don't know what I'm asking really. Tips for dealing with an over tired 6 yr old? Hacks for working full time with primary aged kids? I just feel like a shit mum whatever I do, and that there's no way to square this circle.

OP posts:
Eeksteek · 29/06/2022 22:11

Can he go to bed earlier. I know he goes early already, but if he’s tired and waking early, maybe 7 for a few weeks.…. 6 is a bit of a stroppy age, and as people have said, end of term, lots of change etc etc. only a couple of weeks left, and then the holidays if that’s easier on him. By September he might a different kid. They do adapt, but it takes time.

just curious, but what did you retrain as? I’m considering it, so being nosy…

BeatieBourke · 29/06/2022 22:20

Not a drastic career change Eeksteek, I just got formal qualification and academic research experience in something I was already doing. It's meant I can add a job title to what is essentially the same work but more autonomous and better paid.

I think I've been quite focused on work for a few weeks (understandably, perhaps) and I need to give more thought and time unto how we meet his needs better. Maybe shift my hours on certain days and make up for it later in the week. My boss doesn't have kids, so thays going to be fun conversation.

OP posts:
BeatieBourke · 29/06/2022 23:47

Sorry, I got a bit defensive an tetchy!

There's also something here about people working their arsed off and still not being able to afford to live.

The whole reason for me doing this training and getting this job is so that we can get out of our rented housing/poverty trap.

We present like quite middle class people I guess. I think what most people who know us socially but not we'll don't realise is that

  1. Our home is freezing in winter. WeI've in a rural area on bottled gas and rely on log burners. We're constantly fighting low level damp and mould.
  2. Our diet has deteriorated - I cooked from scratch 7 days a week. Vegetarian house so no meat costs, lots of cheap veg and beans/lentils. This is hard to do with two ft working parents.
  3. Social connections. When I was part time/studying, we had time for play dates with other families in the village (we were fairly new), bumped into people on dog walks, saw the same faces at the parkibrary and struck up friendships.

I can already see that working ft means we have to compromise on so much. All to earn enough to make ends meet and hopefully, one day, afford a house of our own (which is becoming increasingly urgent thanks to covid tourists/second home owners but that's another story).

I just... what am I meant to do? Work more? Work less? The system is mental.

OP posts:
Yazo · 29/06/2022 23:52

He's 6, they can be a nightmare. I don't even have change of routine as an excuse. They stop being so frustrating when their brains catch up with the emotions or the other way around!

Yazo · 29/06/2022 23:53

We're both full time too. Be proud of your work and achievements, it takes some adjusting but you'll get there

Changerazelea · 30/06/2022 00:57

@BBeatieBourke want to empathise so much with your struggles.

I think it doesn't help that these are common challenges for working parents but within the weekday drugery no one really has the time to talk about it or perhaps even admit to struggling.

Two DC here KS2 age and we both work FT. DC at after-school club 4 days per week which to be fair they have both always loved. Moved jobs and I ring fenced Friday as my pick up day from the off which has worked well. The evening is a whirlwind but I try to focus on quality time with DC over quantity (on a good day!) although they can manage on 8pm bedtime generally. I just have to tell myself that we are managing the best we can in a society that requires two working parents. Is it optimal in my eyes? probably not but what I can't control I can't change.

I am inclined to think that it could be a stage for your son. My 9 yo in the last year has suddenly got sensible and although there are difficult moments DS is much more reasonable than previously.. anyway I'm blathering on so wish you a better week and hang in there.

Happyhappyday · 30/06/2022 02:58

OP, my parents staggered their schedules (both in office jobs) so DF got home not long after the school bus (American, the school bus kind of serves as childcare and buys parents another 20-30 mins on either end!) at maybe 3:30,4? We had an after school nanny before that. DH had Nannies + boarding school.

we will be staggering shifts to some extent (DH starts already around 9:30) so he’ll do drop off and I can finish up around 4. My hope is by the time DC starts school properly at 6 (currently at private preschool with wraparound option + we have a nanny), she’ll be able to kind of entertain herself for an hour or so. Otherwise we’ll likely have an after school nanny until she can. DH and I both permanently WFH though & have extremely family friendly employers and a light workload so no one would mind if I had a kid in the background.

RewildingAmbridge · 30/06/2022 04:23

I know the feeling op I'm awake with a wheezy ds and have to go to work in a few hours, DS is younger but is shattered after nursery. Could you and your husband consolidate your hours? We both work FT over 4 different days so DS is only in childcare 3 days (at the moment one is with Grandma) but when he goes to school it means after school club is only needed 3 days and we will never need to use before school club because of the way we've worked our hours one of us will always be able to drop off for normal time. 8:30-5:30 is a long day five days a week for a little one

Uninspiredusername · 30/06/2022 08:00

Hi OP, you’re doing brilliantly. It’s a lot of change for you ajd your DS.
mine is also 6, in after school club three days a week then a friends house another day before they do a sports activity. The fifth day is “normal” pick up to go to a swimming lesson. We keep our weekends as chilled as possible although of course things get in the way.
what I would say is that it’s the end of term and most kids are just exhausted from the school year. Mine had an almighty meltdown last night based on sheer tiredness and we just had to ride through it.
tbh I don’t have a lot else to add but know that you’re not alone x

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