To be conflicted by the crackdown on 2nd homes

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I complete understand the problems they cause & do agree with a higher levy but thenI have used holiday cottages lots of times in the past & plan to in the future.

They should double their council tax.

No but there needs to be a limit. You have some places that are literally deserted now come January, February etc..... literally roads and roads of darkness as they are all locked up for the winter.

Also the people who work locally need somewhere to live locally. Or else how can tourist towns survive anyway? Tourists don't give a shit about locals. As long as they get there 2 week summer holiday and can go and do what the hell they want, when they want, park where they feel like, drop litter where they want they give zero fucks that they are killing towns out of summer months. When they suddenly have no hospitality workers. No lifeguards, no bin men, no council workers etc...... maybe then they will give a shit that people have had to move away all because of the situation they have created.

And local shops for local people!
There's nothing for you here.

Because it’s pure greed. If you want to own a holiday let buy one of the million static caravans. Not a house a family could genuinely live in all year round supporting their local community all year round.

I agree.

I read an article the other day about a local town to me. There was 69 homes for rent and 67 of them were holidays homes - so only 2 homes were available for everyone looking to rent. No wonder homelessness is increasing all of the time.
It’s impossible to rent anywhere let alone buy anywhere.

I don’t think those who have holidays homes realise how difficult it is to rent anywhere, let alone get on the property ladder.
I don’t know how they can be making money off a second property knowing their are people with nowhere to live.

It’s not about not being welcoming to people visiting but people cannot survive long term in a summer holiday only type place where the house are snapped up by second home owners. Anyone and everyone should be able to move there and live and thrive all year around.

It’s hard to say. Bad parenting, probably, and being brought up thinking the world owes them a living.

I wonder if this will result in a drop in house places in these popular holiday areas? With increasing flexible working, working at home, aren't people considering moving out of the cities into a nicer environment? How will it be if ex holiday lets come on the market at a price the "locals" can't afford and get purchased as the only home of someone from say Manchester?

Quite. @FemmeNatal completely misses the point.

No, I wouldn't. I have my ONE property that myself and my family live in all year round. We contribute physically and financially to our local community all year round so we have a better place to live. I actually live in a 2nd home owners paradise. It has priced so many locals out, we have had to move further away than we would have liked to get on the property ladder, my friends buying now are having to move even further and further away to afford something. They are having to commute further and further distances for work or they move jobs entirely. The local area are so short staffed in all areas of business and no one can afford to live here! Rents have gone crazy as people get more for Airbnb and 2nd home owners come for their jolly at the weekend and 2 weeks in the summer and annoy the fuck out of all the locals by trashing the local beach and beauty areas and then fucking off again like a plague of locusts.

You with your 4 houses who says people are awful to you need to take a long hard look at yourself and realise what a privileged and damaging to local people position you are in.

the irony 😆

that was a response to

It’s hard to say. Bad parenting, probably, and being brought up thinking the world owes them a living.

They are, but only in local second home hotspots so people are just changing their address with HMRC and registering with a local GP (then going private back home) so that they don't pay any more council tax.

There needs to be, at least, triple council tax on all under occupied second homes regardless of what they are located.

We can't even call that a stealth boast can we

I don't think moving from Manchester to Cornwall or wherever is a problem if it is your sole residence. The problem is second homes.

Why? We use far fewer services than people who are there all the time. If anything it should be reduced.

Anyone who is against 2nd hones and holiday cottages, where do you go on holiday?
Or is it better to scrap the idea of a holiday/ tourism in favour of... what?

Sorry, that was a quote from the League of Gentlemen!
Maybe not a fan?... anyway, I agree with you. Not Edward and Tibbs from the series.

Too too true. I'm born to immigrants and I'm only in my 20s, born and lived in London and I my future i know cannot be here because I cannot afford it. Living in London is very much a privilege:( what happens when we all move? I'm looking at the north east, surely that'll have detrimental impacts on local people as it's too expensive. t's not our fault tho :( I'd stay if I could but I can't

Haha no I’ve never seen it. So it went right over my head.

I've less issue with 2nd home owners investing in property and a community at the same time by becoming decent landlords.

The specific problem is holiday homes. This removes housing stock from locals and is strangling parts of the country.

Any property that doesn't have a permanent resident (barring reasonable void between occupation) should be financially penalised by a massive amount. Close to equal the property value IMO.

Make investing in a property and keeping it empty to "preserve" it such an unattractive proposition would help in London and reduce the amount of decent sized housing being taken away from local use elsewhere.

But that would hurt the wealthy so would never happen. The proles can just keep struggling.

Well, that's the heart of the problem

We holiday in the U.K. in statics/lodges and on campsites we sometimes use hotels.
Not cottages and houses.

hahahaha excellent satirical response

Sorry! I think it's very funny. The fictional Royston Vasey is not a welcoming community.

I thought the real core of the problem is locals being priced out of the market. I'm wondering - if this results in ex holiday or second homes coming on the market - in reality will they be any more affordable than they are now? Yes in an idea world owners will swap a £700 per week holiday let income for a £700 per month rent from a lovely local family... but will they? I'm sure a lot of them will just sell up. Owners of second homes, if they end up heavily penalised, may also come to that decision.
I'm just not completely convinced that these actions will result in plenty of affordable local housing, to buy or to rent.