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Govt declares war on teachers again. Fucksake.

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noblegiraffe · 22/06/2022 22:44

The Telegraph front page tomorrow is reporting that the DfE is preparing an 'army of supply teachers' to keep schools open in the event of a teacher strike.

Is that like the army of volunteers they failed to raise to keep schools open during the covid surge in January?

Changing the law to allow agency staff to cover for striking colleagues is a shitty move, an opportunity I can't imagine agency staff in general would be leaping at; but using it as some sort of trump card against teachers?

  1. supply teachers would most likely be in a teaching union (they'd be mad if not)

  2. WE CAN'T GET SUPPLY TEACHERS NOW BECAUSE THERE'S A CRITICAL SHORTAGE OF TEACHERS

If they've got an army of supply teachers, where are they fucking hiding them?

If the government think children have 'suffered enough' during the pandemic then:

  1. fund schools properly

  2. stop haemorrhaging teachers by e.g. not treating them like shit in the national press

  3. improve working conditions and reduce workload by e.g. funding children's services like CAMHS, SEN services, social services so that schools aren't picking up ALL the slack.

That would improve the situation far more for children than shitty headlines in the Telegraph deliberately antagonising the few teachers the country has left.

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1moreyear · 25/06/2022 09:40

Loads of jobs available in my subject, not one of them part time. I physically cannot work full time. Flexible working seems to have gone out the window, if schools want to retain staff then flexible working is a must! Current head teacher is really shitty about part time. I wangled part time in this temp contract as I have an illness and literally no one else applied 🤷🏻‍♀️

noblegiraffe · 25/06/2022 10:00

They advertise full time but may accept part time, have you asked? 0.6 of a teacher is better than no teacher.

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1moreyear · 25/06/2022 11:20

noblegiraffe · 25/06/2022 10:00

They advertise full time but may accept part time, have you asked? 0.6 of a teacher is better than no teacher.

Yes but I haven't applied to many tbh. With the amount of vacancies I figure I can be picky! I got my temp contract now which I'm happy with but will definitely be calling the shots if I'm back interviewing next year.

My dream situation is to not ever have another teaching contract. My main reason is being sick of kids talking to me like shit. After 18 years I'm done tbh!

Valeriekat · 25/06/2022 17:17

DirtyteaCup · 22/06/2022 23:28

£25,714 a year for 39 weeks @ 70 hours a week for an ECT (established teachers work 50 hours a week (they dont at primary -much more)

From the Dfe
In the second Teacher Workload Survey, teachers and middle leaders reported working an average of 49.5 hours per week in 2019, down by 4.9 hours compared to 2016. Headteachers and senior leaders also saw a significant fall, to an average of 55.1 hours per week in 2019.

Teachers and middle leaders in primary schools reported working an average of 12.5 hours during weekends and evenings, down by 5.0 hours compared to 2016. For secondary teachers, this came to an average of 13.1 out-of-school hours, a reduction of 3.8 hours compared to 2016.

Yes I read those numbers recently but I find it impossible to believe.
I don't know any teachers who are suddenly working less!

Valeriekat · 25/06/2022 17:24

DirtyteaCup · 22/06/2022 23:35

Its not a race to the bottom
Train driver are not greedy.

Nor do they have 4 years of student debt to repay.

Valeriekat · 25/06/2022 17:25

Porcupineintherough · 22/06/2022 23:36

If they were working a 40 hrs week for 39 weeks of the year then I think the pay would be fine for a graduate, yes.

But they are working many more hours than that.

Valeriekat · 25/06/2022 17:33

FavouritePi · 23/06/2022 01:02

Surely if the Schools Bill goes through and all schools are forced to become academies ultimately controlled by DfE, they'll be fucking teachers over left right and centre?

They already do!

Valeriekat · 25/06/2022 17:38

MrsTerryPratchett · 23/06/2022 01:34

But even the Dfe admit 50 hours a week for experience teachers and ECTs are on 70 hours a week

Not a teacher. But this is the piece I can't understand. The teachers I know work long hours. Everyone knows that. Why is there this pretense of working hours? It's very odd.

Rather than striking surely a permanent work to rule is more <snigger> educational.

Yes I have been saying this for the last 20 years...
in many ways teachers are their own worst enemies and the unions are generally pretty useless at looking after members' interests.

Valeriekat · 25/06/2022 17:41

stayingaliveisawayoflife · 23/06/2022 06:13

Who is going to pay this army of supply teachers if they exist and would break the strike? Schools have no money and are literally scraping the bottom of the barrel. Yes I get paid decentish money although as mine is the only salary into my home at the moment things are tight.

My Amazon account shows that my recent purchases are black whiteboard pens, 100 glue sticks, blue tac and a4 paper. Guess where all that is going!

Why are teachers doing this! You should not be subsidising the school. No-one will thank you for it.

howtomoveforwards · 25/06/2022 17:47

Why are teachers doing this! You should not be subsidising the school. No-one will thank you for it

no thanks, I agree. But if there are no glue sticks to be had and her worksheets are not stuck in books, she will not pass a book scrutiny y and her professionalism will be brought into question. It will look like she’s done very little work.

DianaBarry5 · 25/06/2022 18:26

We can't get TA's as since Covid there are more flexible jobs which pay more than the insulting salary a TA earns.

noblegiraffe · 28/06/2022 12:13

@DdraigGoch here's what has happened when your 'work to rule' suggestion was implemented in NI.

Teachers threatened with pay deductions for being in breach of contract:

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-61957916

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DdraigGoch · 28/06/2022 12:23

noblegiraffe · 28/06/2022 12:13

@DdraigGoch here's what has happened when your 'work to rule' suggestion was implemented in NI.

Teachers threatened with pay deductions for being in breach of contract:

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-61957916

Great, now NASUWT need to say "we'll see you in court", and the court can decide what is "reasonable". The schools are threatening "proportionate deductions" which will be difficult to justify a specific figure.

noblegiraffe · 28/06/2022 12:25

And back to the OP and the government's plans to get an army of supply teachers to cover striking teachers have been foiled by supply teachers.

Only 3% polled said that they would cross a picket line.

www.tes.com/magazine/news/general/plan-supply-teachers-cover-strikes-doesnt-add-zahawi-told

What now, Zahawi?

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noblegiraffe · 28/06/2022 12:26

Great, now NASUWT need to say "we'll see you in court"

No, the NASUWT have now said that they will ballot for strike action. 👍

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Valeriekat · 28/06/2022 16:26

Piggywaspushed · 24/06/2022 13:06

Yes, but it's not a blanket policy ,placing more worth and value on one set of the teaching professions. People already think primary teachers are glorified childminders - this is pretty much writing that large...

And what will happen? People who actually want really to be primary teachers, deciding to secondary train , hating it , and dropping out.

And what happens to middle schools? They still exist in pockets...

I have taught both and primary is wayyyyyyy harder.

Valeriekat · 28/06/2022 16:30

Wouldn't it be nice though if Art, Music, Crafty subjects, DT, Drama and PE didn't HAVE to be exam subjects? It must be utterly soul destroying for pupils and teachers who just want to enjoy the subject to have to be constantly graded and compared instead of just doing it for the fun and joy of it?
Everyone should be able to understand and do without having yet another useless GCSE surely.

Valeriekat · 28/06/2022 16:32

noblegiraffe · 24/06/2022 18:23

I also don't think it's a good thing that maths teachers can be promoted v quickly into HOD because of a shortage, those jobs need experience.

My experience is that it is mostly PE teachers who get promoted to dizzy heights because everyone else is too busy teaching.

Valeriekat · 28/06/2022 16:36

howtomoveforwards · 25/06/2022 17:47

Why are teachers doing this! You should not be subsidising the school. No-one will thank you for it

no thanks, I agree. But if there are no glue sticks to be had and her worksheets are not stuck in books, she will not pass a book scrutiny y and her professionalism will be brought into question. It will look like she’s done very little work.

And there you have it! Catch 22. It is a disgrace. Teachers shouldn't be wasting their time gluing in pupils work.
This is what the unions should have been fighting against for the past few years and once the work is done and marked no-body give a ff least of all the pupils.

Cornettoninja · 28/06/2022 18:29

noblegiraffe · 28/06/2022 12:26

Great, now NASUWT need to say "we'll see you in court"

No, the NASUWT have now said that they will ballot for strike action. 👍

Why not both?

noblegiraffe · 28/06/2022 20:52

I don't know what the NASUWT would take them to court about - I would expect the teachers are in breach of their contract.

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thelittlestrhino · 29/06/2022 09:39

Valeriekat · 25/06/2022 17:41

Why are teachers doing this! You should not be subsidising the school. No-one will thank you for it.

I do it because I actually like and care about the children I teach and want them to enjoy school and be able to do creative and fun things. I also want them to take pride in their work and make sure it is presented and stored carefully. In addition, I cannot adequately support 30+ children with very different needs with the funding the government offers, which allows for little or no resources to support, enrich or extend learning.

The children do, generally, thank me.

DdraigGoch · 29/06/2022 20:45

noblegiraffe · 28/06/2022 20:52

I don't know what the NASUWT would take them to court about - I would expect the teachers are in breach of their contract.

As I said before. The contract states that teachers have to work reasonable extra hours. What does "reasonable" mean? No one can seriously claim that it means 70 hours.

noblegiraffe · 29/06/2022 21:01

Yes but teachers are not on average working that.

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Valeriekat · 02/07/2022 17:37

And that is why the schoold get away with.

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