My 15 month old can walk but not stand

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AIBU to be worried?

he can walk perfectly well and has done from 11 months, he’s really steady on his feet but he can’t transfer himself from sitting to standing or lying down to sitting? He can sit himself down from standing, and he can go from sitting to lying down by rolling forward onto his front but then can’t get back up again and just screams if you leave him to figure it out (he’s usually a really placid little boy!)

He also can’t crawl and has always (and still does) get very upset when on his tummy in any way. He never rolled over. When he was little and just learning, he used to pull himself up to standing on one particular toy but nothing else. We took that toy away to see if he would learn to stand with something else but he never did! He just can’t work out how to bend his legs to roll onto his hands and knees. I’ve never once seen him on his hands and knees at all.

he can crouch right down when standing and will perch on his haunches rather than sit down because he can’t stand himself back up, so prefers to crouch for a speedy get away.

do I need to call the health visitors or am I being neurotic to be worried?

am I being neurotic to be worried?
I was told I was this about DC1 (inc. from HV). When he was 5.5 he ended up with 4 years of physio and they said it would have been more effective if he'd started sooner. So, if you're worried, go to the GP. Request a physio referral. At the very least it will be in his medical notes.

Health visitor or GP

It's probably down to needing to develop particular muscle groups. But beat to get seen by the GP just in case.

Right. I’ll call the health visitors in the morning, thanks all!

Updating just in case someone else comes with the same question - I went to see the health visitors this morning, she said she’s never seen it before where he can walk normally but not be on his knees/ stand up on his own/ go from lying down to sitting up. She has given us a physio referral just to get his knees and hips checked out and see if there’s anything they can suggest to help. She said not to worry too much, he seems perfectly developed in every other aspect and she’s not majorly concerned but it needed a referral just in case there’s something happening with him.

It does sound like he needs someone to check him over, a paediatric PT will be helpful. Are you on Instagram? Milestones.and.motherhood is a great resource for all things crawling/walking etc that might give you some more info while you're waiting for your referral to come through

Do you have any family history of hyper mobility?
My son had similar issues as a baby/toddler. Also had low muscle tone. We had a referral to a paediatrician and a physio.
He's 10 now and you'd never know.

So guess who started standing up on his own today?

We did one of the exercises the health visitors suggested yesterday which was about putting his hands on the floor and it’s like a lightbulb went off for him - he suddenly realised he can push up on his hands to help him get up on his knees without smushing his face into the floor.

It’s quite a process at the moment, he hasn’t quite figured out a short cut so he has to sit down from standing by plonking back on his bum, then he lies down on his back completely flat, then rolls over, then gets his knees under him so his bum is up in the air, then onto his feet so he’s doing downward dog, and then stands up from that position. Hey it’s progress and I’ll take it!

To go from lying down to sitting up, he does the above to get to standing up and then sits down

I’ll cancel the physio referral and let the health visitors know I’m one of THOSE mothers

😂

Good news, op!

Keep the physio referral! My son was like this with low muscle tone and he is very hypermobile. The physio appointment we had was really useful to help build core strength.

Hold off cancelling the physio and don't feel like one of those mothers. By going you were shown something which helped him to learn how to stand up, give it a bit of time until you are sure he can do it all before cancelling.

Ok I’ll keep the appointment for now!

i do feel a bit of a tit - I’ve been worried about this for ages and it turns out it was just one simple thing that he didn’t know and I didn’t clock it!

Honestly don't feel daft and always ask if you are worried.

He also can’t crawl and has always (and still does) get very upset when on his tummy in any way.

This still requires physio input. By not crawling, they miss out on upper body and core strength and coordination developing and can later cause issues with sitting at a table and writing etc. Keep that appointment!

Never feel silly for asking - you just demonstrated you are a caring and observant parent - I would keep the single physio appointment and get him checked, they will discharge you if no further action needed.

Really good to know, thank you!

I wondered whether his core strength was an issue, we did a lot of tummy time when he was tiny but he hated it so much it was always a massive battle. The problem is now he’s older you can’t impose tummy time on him anyway and he will scream bloody murder if you lie him on his front after nappy changes etc.

he can sit on a chair, we have a toddler chair for him but he does struggle to stand up from it sometimes.

Im about an inch away from qualifying as a HV and you're absolutely not one of those mothers.

I would have made a referral too, and I think you should keep it just in case.

Sometimes it's something like hyper mobility.

Sometimes it's simple because the child was a bumshuffler.

Did he bum shuffle by any chance...?

No he never bum shuffled either! Before 9 months he was totally stationary, occasionally rolled over but not often. He could ‘sort of’ commando crawl but only while also screaming. We were told at that stage not to worry because he was sitting up strongly and could technically roll even though he didn’t do it a lot. At 9 months all he wanted to do was hold our hands and walk, literally wouldn’t sit down. It killed us. Eventually he was happy to cruise the furniture at about 10 months and he had a little brio push along truck that was a game changer. He pretty much wanted to do nothing else but follow us round with his truck. Then he walked minus truck at 11 months and that was that, he was off! So he never crawled or bum shuffled or really spent much time at all sat on the floor - he spent almost all his time on his feet.

He sounds as though he is on the unusual side of normal, for want of a better description.
Keep the physio appointment but I reckon by the time it comes around you'll have no worries with him.

@FatEaredFuck and @MissAtomicBomb1 do you mind me asking how your DCs' hypermobility was diagnosed? DD (1yr) had her low muscle tone / mild head lag commented on at her 6month neonatal outpatients appt (she had sepsis at birth so still under neonatal), HV has also mentioned a couple of times that based on the way she moves / sits, she thinks she might be hypermobile. HV has referred to physio (and chased twice) but did say that it might be too early yet? She has been really late with all her gross motor milestones - she's only just starting to weight bear really at 12months.

@YorkshireTeaCup

DS was slow to meet his gross motor milestones. Didnt roll, didn't crawl but bum shuffled. Couldn't pull to stand etc.
I think he was referred to the paediatrician at around 12 months. The paediatrician picked up the hyper mobility and low tone straight away and referred him to a physio. He had to have other tests though to rule out anything more serious.
He then had physio input until he was about 7 to help with his core strength and balance. He also had special boots to support his ankles and help him stand followed by orthotic inserts until he was about 5. He's 10 now and we don't get any input. DS isn't particularly sporty but no issues related to the hyper mobility - he has some good party tricks though!

OP, I wouldn't cancel the referral personally. Your little one has been quite delayed with their milestones and it wouldn't hurt for them to be seen by a physio.

Could you pls share when your kid pulled up to stand and eventually walked. My daughter is 20 months and is unable to pull to stand. She met all other milestones on time. She is also believed to have low tone on legs and hyper mobile. She is doing physio but still not seeing any improvement. Thanks!

Hello! DS is 2 now and fine but we ended up with a bit of a journey.

He started standing himself up consistently at 16 months but never pulled up on things to stand, he would always lie himself on the floor on his front, walk his feet up behind him, then crouch down and stand from there. Now he can roll from sitting and put his hands on the floor, then push up from there but it still takes him a few seconds to stand up.

We kept the physio appointment, but after one session she discharged us.

He was still wobbly and his gross motor was still poor until he was about 20 months when all of a sudden he started climbing. The only thing that changed is we started taking him to a baby gymnastics class and he initially was VERY cautious and afraid of falling, but once he’d fallen off things a couple of times he seemed to really get into it and then started using his body in a totally new way at home too.

From 20 months to 24 months he climbed furniture and it’s seemed to have developed any muscle groups he didn’t have before because now he can crawl very slowly (although still hates it!).

His gross motor is still well behind other kids his age though. For example he can’t run, can’t sit up on his knees and shuffle on them, can’t jump, can’t bend down and walk forward to duck under things. He is stiff as a board when he’s doing anything, but I’m waiting for his 2 year check so I can chat through my concerns. He’s very broad shouldered and chested with shorter arms and legs and I think he has an issue with his knees which is why he struggles a bit. He’s just not build to be an Olympian, but he is hilarious, sweet, kind and very chatty!

I remember my then 2yo trying to copy children jumping, and his brain not convincing his legs to do it. He spent a long 4 months cruising before he'd brave letting go. He did crawl... but did it backwards. In later years we've found out that he's neurodiverse including dyspraxia, and has some hyper mobility.

It's good having a paper trail early on. Ours was over speech and while it wasn't down at the threshold at 2, it was by 3 and although with intervention, he'd caught up by school, all that record was helpful down the line when other concerns emerged.

I always struggled with PE so always wanted my two to be active and non-competitive participation sports like gymnastics/ karate, swimming and junior parkrun have done a lot for DS's core strength and co-ordination over the years.