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DDs teacher is constantly off sick

275 replies

northernnitemarrrr · 22/06/2022 11:54

The school say this isn't an issue for her education ( year 1) But I just feel if a TA was a suitable teacher then they would be the teacher. And they having random Ta's or support staff cover the classes, so it's always a different person isn't really on. None of the TA's have been there all year, as they don't seem to last long in our class. Maybe it's the class or the teacher but AIBU to be pissed off ?

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WombatChocolate · 22/06/2022 14:20

It’s complex. Of course teachers who are unwell can’t be in school teaching and it’s usually not appropriate to be telling parents anything g at all about the reason for absence.

At the same time, schools do seem to manage it differently and some more successfully than others. Large schools in particular have more scope for shifting people around and finding a better solution. Constantly changing staff without continuity is a problem - although it’s a difficult one for schools to avoid. And a valid question is whether teacher prepared lessons delivered by the TA are the same or as good as when delivered by the teacher. There IS a difference, otherwise schools would use one teacher to plan everything and save large sums by getting it delivered by TAs. In fact, this is looking like the direction of travel in cash strapped education. So it’s not unreasonable for parents to ask why their child is only getting 50% or less of their time with a qualified teacher. Not quite clear if it would be better to have a string of qualified teachers or more continuity from a known TA - probably the latter, but that’s not suggesting it’s a great outcome.

Some schools seem to do better. They are more proactive in finding a replacement teacher for medium to long term needs. Some have contacts with individuals they will draw on and some have some really great contacts. Others seem to have none and some seem to want to avoid spending any money and to muddle through. Some Heads support muddling through for longer than others do. If asked by parents, many schools are defensive and vague and actually give answers which fob off. And it’s basically because the situation clearly is inferior to having their regular teacher, but they don’t want to say that.

What’s especially difficult is the illness that means a teacher takes a day off every week, the two days and then is around for a week and then off again..and it goes on for 3 months until they finally go off in long term sick. And until they are off more long term arranging anything semi permanent with consistency is very difficult. It might be controversial to say, but I think that teachers absolutely have the right to be off when they are sick, but some are very reluctant to communicate about their situation (I guess not unusual or surprising when mental health is involved especially) or likely future position and this makes planning for schools very tricky.

I recall when one of my DC was in Yr1, the 2 class share teachers were pregnant and due to go before Christmas. They were good and experienced and my heart fell when a very green teacher who had struggled to get a permanent job arrived. She really wasn’t great but my DC made enormous progress that year with reading and writing and maths. Honestly, I think they were just ready to progress snd didn’t need the best input….but that wasn’t the case for all the kids. The next year, we were told we were getting the very best teacher in the school for Yr2 - always had Yr2 to do their SATS and hugely experienced etc. We were thrilled and then within 2 weeks the poor woman went off with serious cancer. We didn’t see her again until May when she came in to see the kids for 2 days. Then there was a string of supply and TAs and although progress was made, it really felt like a poor experience. This was a 1 Form entry school, with very little slack or scope to move staff around. It wasn’t anyone’s fault and the schoo did their best, but it was all a bit shit for the kids. We moved then for Juniors to a 3 Form entry school. They also has maternity leave and absence etc, but it was very different. They just seemed to be in things in advance and also they communicated with families ahead of the known events. They boosted confidence by this, rather than the previous school which only ever communicated after whichever absence had already started snd even with the maternity leaves, only made contact the week before they started to say what was happening.

I think bright children who are ready to learn and suck things up, probably aren’t harmed too much in the infant years if they’ve already learned to read. Weaker ones though probably are far more. And Secondary is a different ball game. When you hear about the class who’ve had 6 different teachers through their Physics GCSE, with only 1 being a scientist, your heart falls. And it’s sadly very common. Even the classes with the qualified and capable teachers find they lose them as they are shunted away to a more ‘needy’ exam class. It’s understandable why it happens but gutting when your non exam class child loses their teacher again.

The thing is, this is all part and parcel of the funding and recruitment crisis in schools. There aren’t enough staff and when someone is off sick there’s aren’t enough to go round. Sadly, there will be more of this and disrupted educations and reducing expectations that even having a teacher all the time should be the norm.

Hellsbe · 22/06/2022 14:23

I bet the op is a Tory who thinks there should lbe no such thing as sick pay! Why is everything in this country such a race to the fucking bottom😡

antelopevalley · 22/06/2022 14:23

Hellsbe · 22/06/2022 14:17

Lmao at people thinking that only qualified teachers teach in the private sector.

I know someone who is a qualified physio who works as a teacher in a private girls school.
she’s the first to say she knew nothing about teaching but was attracted to the long holidays, and was burnt out working for the nhs.

It amazes me that even after all the obvious private sector failures, some people still here private and think that means it is automatically better.
There are good private schools. There are also pretty awful ones where the parents would be far better using the local state school.

Anon1717 · 22/06/2022 14:24

JustLyra · 22/06/2022 14:08

Children in private schools are regularly taught by non-qualified teachers, so it does happen…

They tend to be specialists with external industry experience, or postgrad educates. It's not the same thing.

Anon1717 · 22/06/2022 14:24

*educated

ArmWrestlingWithChasNDave · 22/06/2022 14:28

roarfeckingroarr Typical Tory, doesn't understand statistics and has poor reading comprehension.

Justcannot · 22/06/2022 14:28

Anon1717 · 22/06/2022 14:24

They tend to be specialists with external industry experience, or postgrad educates. It's not the same thing.

Doesn't make them good teachers. Often, they're not.

BungleandGeorge · 22/06/2022 14:28

Anon1717 · 22/06/2022 14:04

Do you think children at private school would be dealing with this - being taught by TAs so often?

No, of course not. It affects grades and quality of life for a lot of students in the long run.

That’s totally irrelevant. Same advice for a private school- personal staff issues nothing to do with parents. Any worries regarding education go to the appropriate Person at the school 🤷‍♀️

Justcannot · 22/06/2022 14:30

RobynNora · 22/06/2022 14:13

I think YANBU. It's crap.

I used to share a class with a teacher who was off on stress for many terms. Completely selfish, in my opinion. If the stress lasts longer than a few weeks, quit and find something less stressful to do and let the school recruit a new teacher.

Obviously, if the illness is something like cancer, that's quite different but still YANBU to be concerned your child doesn't have a teacher in year 1.

Can't imagine why they were stressed with such supportive colleagues.

balalake · 22/06/2022 14:30

It's not the teacher being off sick that is the issue but how it is covered. I don't agree with the suggestion (if true) that 'it is only year 1'. It could be that there is some reluctance to regularly cover for the teacher concerned for an unknown reason.

If you are to raise this with the school, focus not on the sickness but the wish for some consistency in who teaches your DD.

toomuchlaundry · 22/06/2022 14:33

Same can happen at private schools, lack of supply teachers and teachers in all education sectors

CallOnMe · 22/06/2022 14:34

Your kids in year 1. I’m sure she’ll be fine.

I feel more sorry for the TA who is probably doing a lot more than what she’s being paid for.

I know of a secondary school teacher who has cancer and has had a lot of time off.
She’s a single parent so can’t just quit.

There is no solution here, it’s just a fact of life.
The only thing you can do is continue to do reading at home which will make a massive difference.

RedToothBrush · 22/06/2022 14:34

Say the Teacher has cancer. Do you think she should resign? Especially if she has a family of her own. YABVU.

Yes it sucks and isn't ideal. However the school are likely to have plan in place to ensure that learn is still consistent and cover everything. Mainly because if they don't it will come back to bite them on the arse at some point in terms of performance.

I've had concerns about the teaching of my son. He started school in 2019. Then covid hit. Then his teacher went off sick. Then she went on maternity leave. Then went into yr 1. And that was fine for a year. Then his next teacher went off sick repeatedly (at the height of covid infections in schools) and then went on maternity leave. He's lost a HUGE amount of schooling and a huge amount of teacher time. I know his class are struggling more than any other class in the school due to circumstances. The behaviour in the class isn't as good as others - they are known to be wild. However they are also one of the nicest bunch of kids going. I know. I volunteer and help out with them occasionally. I know them all by name and I know them all in terms of who to watch and who is a little twat and who is just hyperactive (and the two are not necessarily the same. some of the better behaved kids are the biggest little shits)

HOWEVER. As a result I know that the school are now prioritising them for everything and they are the one class they will have resources thrown at them and extra support given. I know that they will get the better / more experienced teachers in future years to help make up again gaps there are. Because its not in the interests of the school to leave his class high and dry.

Having spoken to very close friends who work at the school and those who work in other schools they all say that a) there will always be a year where you get a teacher who is sub par and isn't really up to the expectations of both parents and the school. b) everyone gets this. or at least gets a teacher your kids does gel well with at some point at primary c) the school will be well aware there is an issue with the class and will focus on it.

The short answer of this is - don't panic.

You have a month to go. Things will be better next year.

fishingpaintings · 22/06/2022 14:35

@luckylavender oooooooooo sorry! Somebody's got their snippy knickers on today?!

NeedAHoliday2021 · 22/06/2022 14:41

I get you and felt the same with Dd in Year 6. I feel bad for her teacher who is lovely so no criticism there but the leadership in the situation was awful. Learning felt really mixed. That said, the 4 weeks before DD’s SATs she flew. Everything clicked for her so maybe a mix of styles was beneficial. In theory the work should still be being set by a teacher and the TA just delivering it.

I’m not impressed in our primary leadership but youngest leaves in July.

ThatPosterIsSoRight · 22/06/2022 14:41

It does make a big difference. People can be both sympathetic about an ill teacher and concerned about the impact on their children and want the school to be accountable, the two aren’t exclusive. Every year of education is important.

DC1’s teacher went on sick leave in the first term of reception and didn’t come back. After initial disruption the school got consistent supply teachers in (2 or 3 part time). His year 1 teacher told me she really noticed the difference with the class, they weren’t as ‘ready to learn’, not as engaged.

The same class then had completely disrupted teaching in year 3 - teacher was off, tried to come back, went off, etc. At the same time the other year 3 class were teacherless for a different reason, so the school’s efforts were more thinly spread. Ofsted came to inspect right at the end of that year and were specifically critical of the lack of progress in year 3. The school threw everything they could at that year once they were in year 4, the school were very open that as a year group they were behind, and were clear what was being done to address it.

luckylavender · 22/06/2022 14:44

fishingpaintings · 22/06/2022 14:35

@luckylavender oooooooooo sorry! Somebody's got their snippy knickers on today?!

Not at all. I just find it irritating when people can't read what's in front of them. Especially in the very first post. Happens in work all the time when you give instructions, and get asked something you just covered. Happens in interviews.

AnnaKar · 22/06/2022 14:44

LEA or academy could surely provide administrative help, it won't be the first time an education officer has been drafted in to help out in schools

And who does the LA officer’ job @334bu

So much mis information here to beat down the teaching profession again. Yes, like any corporation, there are strict attendance management policy and processes to follow, including a reduction in pay to no pay.

There are two parts to this.
The class teacher is ill and managed through attendance management policy. Nothing to do with parents and obviously for the sake of any staff member ( human being!) in any organisation, confidential.
Your concern about the quality of supply and consistency of staffing can be expressed to the HT and through the governors. The HT will be able to reassure you (or not). Hands up, it is a very difficult market to gain supply staff. Teacher shortages are real.

The next step is to contact your MP in support of wanting a much improved and funded education system in this country - and to vote anything but Tory. Stop them dismantling the education of our children.

There was a very clear suggestion early in the thread OP about how to address your concerns about instability in staffing via the governing board. Have you done this?

Fairislefandango · 22/06/2022 14:50

I used to share a class with a teacher who was off on stress for many terms. Completely selfish, in my opinion. If the stress lasts longer than a few weeks, quit and find something less stressful to do and let the school recruit a new teacher.

Oh wouldn't it be interesting to see what would happen to schools if all the teachers with stress quit and found something less stressful to do!

Fairislefandango · 22/06/2022 14:55

Wouldn't happen in the private sector so why is it acceptable in the state?

What wouldn't happen in the private sector? I've worked in both. Private schools can't magic up extra staff or supply to cover absent teachers any more than state schools can. And in my experience, private schools are far more likely to bend the rules in order to paper over the cracks.

fishingpaintings · 22/06/2022 15:04

@luckylavender sorry I irritated you and failed to meet your high standards. How irritating to have to deal with us absolute plebs.

luckylavender · 22/06/2022 15:10

@fishingpaintings - maybe if you hadn't started your post with 'well it depends, we need more information...' it wouldn't have been quite as jarring 🙄

metellaestinatrio · 22/06/2022 15:12

OP of course YANBU. Some of the responses here are hugely over dramatic (“how dare you suggest my friend with cancer should be in school” - the OP never said anything like that, and we don’t know what’s wrong with this teacher!) or dismissive. “She’s only in Year 1” - well yes, but we are constantly told how important the early years are and how children who fall behind will never catch up, how missing a couple of days of school is so detrimental to the child’s education it merits a fine, how disruptive it is when children are late to class and so on. Then suddenly, when the OP’s daughter has zero consistency and is not being taught by a qualified teacher most of the time it’s all “stop making a fuss, she’ll be fine” and “you’re a selfish monster who wants teachers who are ill to be fired on the spot”.

I am willing to wager that not many people on here would be fine and dandy with the situation described by the OP - I certainly wouldn’t - and I think she is within her rights to push the school for more detail of the cover arrangements and how the school will ensure the children don’t fall behind. Of course she has no right to know about the teacher’s private medical information, but she’s not asking for that - she wants to know how they are going to provide suitable cover.

CaptSkippy · 22/06/2022 15:15

northernnitemarrrr · 22/06/2022 13:09

@Tilltheend99 I'm self employed, no sick pay here.

It was YOUR choice to be your own boss, as it was YOUR choice to have a child.

Now, you expect a sick teacher to get fired because what? You feel like you're not getting your money's worth? Because you're being inconvenienced? Because your daughter's education trumps this teacher's health?

Many teachers are already overwhelmed, underpaid and overworked. Many of them end up sick with a burnout. And yet you demand more?

You are seriosuly dispicable, OP.

Anon1717 · 22/06/2022 15:16

Fairislefandango · 22/06/2022 14:50

I used to share a class with a teacher who was off on stress for many terms. Completely selfish, in my opinion. If the stress lasts longer than a few weeks, quit and find something less stressful to do and let the school recruit a new teacher.

Oh wouldn't it be interesting to see what would happen to schools if all the teachers with stress quit and found something less stressful to do!

They could be replaced with contractors or agency staff who only get SSP so tend to take less time off.

Saying this as a long-term contractor.

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