Aibu to think the Tories want the public sector to fail?

[malificent7]

Just been reading about the rising cost of living, strikes and how public sector workers are leaving to go to the private sector.
Aibu to think that this is what the government want anyway and the strikes will give them an excuse to say the public sector isn't working and privatise as much as possible?

Probably but the public sector workers don't help themselves by constantly moaning and threatening to strike.

Depends on what you define as success. Is the public sector a success to begin with? It’s a subjective thing:

Its a tough one because inflation is causing people to ask for higher pay. At the same time higher pay means for exacerbating the inflationary cycle and the pain gets worse. We shouldn’t be blaming the Tory government for trying to control inflation but for causing it in the first place.

Lest we forget the biggest mistake in government policy in the last 50 years - lockdowns. Which millions of curtain twitchers all over the the county supported wholeheartedly - I might add. Locking up healthy people needlessly, shutting down the economy then opening it up. Creating demand though money printing and paying people to sit and do nothing while killing supply. This is what you get.

Idiots wanted lockdowns, incompetent people introduced them. And now the same incompetent people are lying to the same idiots blaming it all on the Ukraine war. To those who couldn’t get enough of baking and Netflix at home while the economy was being destroyed, enjoy the fruits of your demands.

I agree with sst.

very well articulated.

Stated aim at local cons to stop "funding" people they consider incompetent (their logic being if they were good theyd be private), you also see a lot of the anti NHS propaganda about waiting times, missing diagnosis etc they have a wide reach.

I hear your frustration and feel it too

It was so obvious at the time

I would probably put more on the Ukraine war but what the response did was lower our resilience to it drastically. We got into a fear cycle that we are paying for now.

This!

It's what we've been saying since lockdown started, it was easy to see the storm that was coming.

I think on the strikes the government see this as either something which will lose Labour votes, or the 21st century equivalent of the miners strike and wanting to reduce the influence of trade unions.

What would have happened if we hadent locked down though
I know people on here have a tendency to rewrite history and pretend covid is just a bit of a cold ,but at one point up to 2000 people were dying daily of it ,if it was left to run riot what would have happened?
Thankfully we now have vaccines
Lots of other countries also had lockdowns too.

it's railway workers on strike, they're not public sector they work for private companies.

Yes. By telling the people that lowering their taxes and thus giving them more money to spend as they wish(and therefore giving less money to the public sector) the government is watching public services fail so then It can step in and privatise them so a few investors (their donors) can make vast profits. At least that’s my reading of the situation.

Yes. Just look at the schools bill. Not just schools themselves but the other services they are piling extra onto with no extra resources. Ripe for selling off in chunks.

@x2boys

Globally, around 50% of Covid deaths are accounted of those aged over 75%,m. And a further 25% are aged between 64-75. And 90%+ have some sort of underlying condition no matter what what age. I’m sure you’re smart enough to work out what would have happened if only these groups had seen shielded rather than everyone being locked down. And even then, we had vaccines less than a year after Covid took force.

Unless people were living under rock for the last two years, this should be fairly obvious.

Yup I can work it out

Even greater number of deaths

So many public sector emergency workers can not afford to work, new cops come out with £1000 after tax / pension etc. It is unsustainable with the cost of living.

Emergency workers have not had a pay rise in line with inflation or the cost of living for 15 years, we haemorrhage well trained professionals to the private sector or to emigration.

My friend who works in a college as admin can not afford her petrol to go to work, despite having her and her husband in good jobs and a low mortgage.

We are quite simply fucked

We live in a society though ,my dh has an underlying condition that makes him cev ,and he did shield but we have kids ,they could have brought covid home from school ,and they did on two occasions ( thankfully after vaccination,s ) if we had kept schools open ,most children would have been fine but what about teachers and other staff ,some may have been cev or live with family members that were ,it would have been chaos ,cev people often don't live alone they have partners ,family members etc that could have brought covid home .

I think the Tories have an instinctive instinct of not being afraid of the public sector failing, OP. This particular lot don’t have any kind of coherent plan though - even one as bad as this seeming determination to drive the public sector into the ground.

I would love an honest conversation about those who believe in privatisation think will happen. If the NHS seriously fails, more than it is already doing, then everyone is potentially affected as we don’t have a full private sector waiting to take the slack. A lot of complex conditions are only treated by the NHS . Things like maternity services where there are only a few private providers (all in London I think), who don’t have the resources of the NHS in case of emergencies. So if there is some kind of massive failure everyone is potentially impacted in any kind of transition. Feels criminal to be approaching it with the apparent lack of thought characteristic of this government.

(Should clarify I’m strongly anti-privatisation anyway, but I also don’t understand how it would possibly work)

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