To think wealthy people will leave Scotland?

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..if the YES side win a referendum? Surely a lot of successful businesses and people who are wealthy/ comfortable/ have paid into a pension will not want to risk all their assets becoming worthless? Or am I missing something? Higher taxes, unknown currency, economic uncertainty, hard border, national security concerns etc

It would cost BILLIONS to set up new Government bodies (eg DVLA, Passport office, MI5, MI6, Amy Navy, RAF to name a few) so surely taxes will be much, much higher than rest of the UK?

Just to clarify I am NOT a fan of Boris but surely he will be long gone by the time Scotland actually became independent after YES vote (probably at least 10 years, just look at the BREXIT timeline).

Please don't flame me, I am just wondering what people think as I genuinely don't get how the benefits outweigh the risks.

But when the Scottish gone start paying out for these things for those on low incomes etc - you will lose any tax benefit as that will be the first to be hit!

I would have to leave. I have a mortgage. It is in GBP. Being paid a salary of rapidly devaluing groats isn’t going to cover it. Also my husband can’t do his financial services job here. It requires FCA oversight and his clients won’t be prepared to wait for Indy Scotland to set up a respected equivalent. They will just move their business south so his work have said the jobs will move south. This will affect thousands of top rate taxpayers in Scotland. Indy Scotland will go bankrupt very quickly indeed.

Ah so you're firmly in the "I'm alright jack" camp.

It also wasn't sold as a once in a life time vote. It was called a once in a generation opportunity in a snp white paper, which if you'd read it would be clear from the context that it was a phrase to try and encourage people to vote in the referendum, not some sort

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Not some sort of legally binding agreement to never hold another one for 70 years.

And there it is:
anyone who doesn’t vote for independence is selfish. 🧐

I left the UK way before Brexit, after leaving I still bought lots of stuff from there. I bought things when I was living in America and then in the EU. I've ordered all sorts from makeup and skincare, clothes, appliances, etc etc.
I basically bought from the exactly the same places as before and even, ocasionally, resorted to these dodgy (money-sucking) businesses that can ship you stuff for shops that don't deliver outside the UK and even with all these fees I still paid less for ordering from there. Now, not only are prices for the same shops almost double compared to the EU but there's also soooo many taxes added that it just isn't viable anymore.
Prices went up before the war, I stopped ordering then, but they are even higher now. Unless I visit the UK I'm unlikely to ever order anything again any time soon from the UK and I would imagine a lot of people feel the same.

You're being disingenuous there as @MorrisZapp was talking about the EU referendum vote in 2016.

Referendums tend to have much higher turnouts than elections, so it is meaningless to compare the two processes.

We do know that the EU membership was a consideration for just 12% of Scottish Nationalists and 14% of Scottish Unionists in 2014.

It was not a major issue then despite the SNP white paper saying voting for independence was the only way to "guarantee" this. Omitting the fact a Yes vote in 2014 was a vote to leave the UK and the EU at the same time.

One could point to pro-EU SNP candidates losing their seats post-Brexit to pro-Brexit candidates. Moray is one that was significant, for example.

Yet despite Brexit, partygate, covid, etc, the SNP has the same problem as Sinn Féin - they've failed to seriously move the dial in favour of leaving the UK.

That says a lot.

They’re not though. They’re called the Scottish National (not Nationalist) party.
Scotland will regain it’s independence and there are a few points to consider for those who live elsewhere in the UK and feel they have the right to tell Scotland what they should do.
• What oil are you going to use?
• Where will you keep your nukes?
• Where will you get
fresh water?
• Where’ll you get renewable energy?
• How can you survive on a weak £?
• Will you be alone outside the EU?

I don’t know anyone who left Scotland in the run up to the last referendum, I know many who have moved here since, and all of them support Scotland regaining it’s independence.

I’m ready for the pile on.

@JemimaPiddleDick just out of interest, why is it “our” oil and “their” nukes?

Makes no sense.

No, someone who prefers to have a little bit extra in their back pockets to the detriment of others who are selfish.

Nowt to do with independence. If the poster I quoted is really that bothered about paying a bit more tax to fund better services for the population then they should look at moving to a more tax friendly place in general.

@MarshaBradyo the best option would be a negotiated trade agreement between Scotland and England that would retain free trade.

Because I’m from Northumberland many Scots have felt able to confide in me their thoughts about the “other” English, the ones from the South, imagining that I’d share their hatred.

I’ve never been anywhere else in the world where I’ve heard such unpleasant, prejudiced bigotry.

To pretend that scotch nationalism is not mainly driven by anti-English hatred is not tenable.

I am just reading the same scaremongering on this thread like last time.
It does remind me of the Brexit debate. I voted against Brexit. But it reminds me of those extreme remainers who argued no planes could take off after Brexit from UK airports and the sky would fall in.

Everything will continue to work. The only real question is will Scotland be better off economically in an independent Scotland or in the UK heading into a deep recession. I think an independent Scotland will be better.

under international maritime law the oil lies under the seabed of Scottish territory and because the majority of Scots do not wish to have weapons of mass destruction situated less than 30 miles from our largest city

A split at some point is inevitable. Don‘t see the point in putting it off. IMO Brexit shouldn’t have gone ahead without the consent of a majority of nations within the UK, or arguably all four. If England basically gets to decide such issues by want of its bigger population, then it’s not really a Union of four equal nations.

I've what? I'm innocent!

Yes, just like the BNP is the British National Party.

That’s not how things work though.

Anyway, imagine a work where you had to cross a border at England to go shopping, or to get a plane from Manchester, or deliver food and goods? Nuts

For me and an overwhelming number of people who support the notion of Scotland becoming an indepentnation once more it’s not about England or the English, it’s about Scotland and the Scots.
A lot of people find it difficult to grasp, but England isn’t the most important country to every other nation on earth

Some of it was ott and I’m glad that is the case but mostly it was the same dream sold

Stick it to the people in an emotive vote, you’ll win out - the reality is people won’t. Not those who have fewer options anyway, those that do can protect what they need to.

The only reason we may not leave immediately is the potential impact on DC who is at school, and has a strong friendship base here. However, we would probably be looking at moving to England at the right time and be preparing for this. There is no reason I or my DH couldn't WFH in England.

I cannot think of a single area of public services in which the SNP has excelled to date - educational attainment is reducing, the NHS is crumbling, transport is appalling and these are all things within their gift to manage. It's very easy to blame 'Westminster'.

@NotKevinTurvey Anti-English feeling is high in Northumberland because so many places have been devastated by English people buying holiday homes or second homes. Some places have no residents left and are just full of holiday makers. It also puts massive pressure on local services including the closure of local schools and clubs.
It is a disaster for people who live and work there.

The oil is in Scottish water (90+% of it anyway), so would be ours post independence and should have always been ours (interestingly Scotland is the only oil rich nation not to have benefited much from having such a resource).

Scotland is largely opposed to nuclear weapons and voted against the renewal of trident (58 against Scottish MPs against, 1 for). This just further illustrates the point that we have no real say or input in our own affairs. England wanted nukes for the UK so England got nukes for the UK and keeps them in Scotland, less than 40 miles from its most densely populated area. Cheers for that.

@CoralPaperweight I think you might be disappointed in England. My parents have had excellent and quick treatment in NHS Scotland.