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AIBU - is this normal toddler behaviour or not?

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GarthElgarsGlasses · 14/06/2022 20:45

DS is 2.5yrs old. I am hoping for some advice on whether his behaviour is typical difficult toddler behaviour or whether I need to be investigating if anything else is going on. I also have a 5yr old DD and although of course all children are individuals and I didn’t expect them to be the same, their behaviour is so different I’m just not sure if this is as mentioned typical toddler behaviour or whether actually DD was the really unusual one for never doing any of this!
I genuinely can’t think of a single outing we have been on where he hasn’t spent the entire time we’ve been out kicking off, screaming and throwing himself about and he will be dripping in sweat. This can go on for a LONG time.
Typical Triggers -
being tired (but will furiously resist naps and bedtime) - his sleep is terrible, he has never not even once slept through the night and wakes ridiculously early every single morning (has never slept past 5am), he still breastfeeds to sleep and any attempts to stop him are met with such distress and fury I end up caving and giving him the boob. It is also one of the only times he is content so I feel a pressure to continue as he obviously finds it comforting. I spend so much of the day and night frustrated with him that guilt makes me carry on letting him have it.
being prevented from doing something dangerous (like throwing himself from the top of a slide in the playground)
will often request something, let’s say an apple, I give him the apple as requested and he will throw it on the floor and then roar at me.
If I am not there - if I am in the shower, if I quickly pop to the local shop, if I basically go anywhere without him he loses it & will scream, cry and throw himself about until I get back.

He is very loving and affectionate (always wants a cuddle, has shown concern if he thinks I have hurt myself “what’s happened mummy?”)
He is very bright, can count to 100, knows all his shapes/colours and can recite the alphabet.
He can often be wary of unfamiliar adults but is friendly to other children even if he doesn’t know them (says hello and if he knows their name will add their name, “hello Alex”) and approaches them to play - doesn’t really do much imaginative play, all much more physical play based such as games of chase, kicking a football, enjoys jumping on a bouncy castle etc, rough and tumble with his sister (DD 5yrs).
He absolutely loves puzzles and will complete puzzles repetitively and seems to get a buzz from this. He is extremely enthusiastic about numbers and letters and will shout out any numbers or letters we see when out. In the supermarket we have to traipse up every aisle in order to “find the numbers” and any attempts to skip an aisle are noticed and loudly protested against. At the risk of sounding ignorant (apologies) I began to worry he was displaying signs of autism as in my extremely limited knowledge of this subject I was aware that those on the spectrum can show obsessive tendencies towards numbers in the way my son does.
At his 2.5yr health visitor review, I did broach my concerns with the health visitor who advised she had no reason to think he was on the spectrum etc and described him as being bright and boisterous.

He is at home with me (SAHM) but we attend regular toddler classes such as rugby tots/go to soft play and the playground all the time. I will hold my hands up that recently he has been such hard work that I genuinely can’t face taking him out anywhere “fun” for the last few days, it’s just been a nightmare. It’s been the school run (going nuts with all the other parents looking over) and sainsburys to get some bits we needed and number count.
I would like to enrol him in a local preschool just for a couple of mornings a week, to enable me to get on with housework which is almost impossible to do when he is running around, and also to be honest I feel like maybe it would give him something I clearly can’t, and would help calm him down. Seeing as I can’t take the bin out without a huge fuss I genuinely don’t know how on earth he would cope with being left at preschool. He cries hysterically any time I’m out of sight when he’s at home with his own dad so I have visions of him being completely traumatised and not at all ready for preschool.
To add to this, the relentless sleep deprivation and constant hamster wheel of being constantly awake, dealing with tantrums, trying to check DD is ok, run a home (& I’m only managing the basics of clean clothes and dinner, a quick hoover and toilet scrub, literally nothing else gets bloody done, feel so crap about it) it’s turned me into an absolute monster of a mum to my poor kids. I’m always feeling exhausted, completely drained and overwhelmed, if I’m honest resentful of DS behaviour always ruining everything, worried I’m obviously a shit mum to him, I’ve home a shit mum to DD as I can never give her more than 5mins of my time before DS is trying to set the house on fire or similar so I have to leap up, and that’s without all the shouting I do now. Me and OH have never had the best relationship which is a whole other story, but we argue constantly about how to deal with DS. He works a lot and when at home isn’t particularly hands on, yet has alot to say in terms of criticising me for pretty much everything I do or don’t do, basically I feel like I very much can’t do anything right by anyone.
please can anyone advise on how on earth I can get DS to calm down and whether this is all normal/if so how long does it go on for?!
Thankyou!

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User0ne · 14/06/2022 20:57

Hi OP, the biggest thing that comes across to me in your post is that you need some time away from the kids to do something for you (IE not housework).

I'd book your ds into nursery at least a few mornings a week from age 3.

I've got 3 boys (age 1-5) and I've definitely felt like you seem to about their behaviour at times. I've found manipulating the games we play to suit what I want to achieve helpful. Also pre-warning them about changes so "we're going to aisle 16 after we've found the beams, what number are they? Ooh 39p, what a big number! Can you find our next aisle, it was number 16, remember". It's effing dull but often remarkably effective

User0ne · 14/06/2022 20:58
  • beams should say beans
Ferrarilover · 14/06/2022 21:01

I would wait until your DH has time at home and then take your DD somewhere for the afternoon. Let you DH cope with your son on his own for once. He might begin to see what you are going through.

Your DS doesn't sound autistic to me. He does sound intelligent and possibly frustrated that he can't yet express himself clearly, so it results in a tantrum.

You could try letting your DS 'help' you. Give him a plastic brush and dustpan for him to 'clean' something.

Or a bowl of warm soapy water and a couple of plastic pots for him to wash. (With a large towel on the floor).

Get him to help you unload the washing machine. All these little things feed his self esteem and make him seem useful to you.

You're not a shit mum at all. You're overwhelmed by it all.

Making dinner, get him a couple of carrots or potatoes to scrub.

Involve him as much as possible, with lots of praise for how well he's doing and what a help he is to you.

Getting him dressed, get a sand timer to see if he can put on a vest / tee shirt, before the sand runs out.

Good luck, it's a temporary phase and doesn't last long.

GarthElgarsGlasses · 14/06/2022 21:13

Hi, thanks for your replies.
I do try and carve out a quick hour or two at the weekends for DD (if she has a play date or sometimes we go out for a quick hot chocolate together - can’t be gone too long as I’m very aware DS will be going mad at home) OH gets stroppy with me about this and says things like “oh great I get to have DS scream at me for 2hrs” doesn’t seem to occur to him that this is my life day in day out, if I point this out he says “it’s your only job”. Or he will make comments about how I need to discipline him properly and it’s my fault he is the way he is. So yeah basically zero support there.
thankyou for the suggestions of ways to involve him in housework, I’ll give it a go.

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LizzieSiddal · 14/06/2022 21:21

The biggest thing which strikes me is his lack of sleep. You both sound absolutely exhausted and this is hugely affecting you both during the day. If you could both get better sleep you will probably find he is a different child.

Id start by stopping BFing, I know this sounds extreme but I went away for a weekend as it was the only way I felt I could definitely stop, you can’t do it as he can smell the milk.
My DD slept through the night after I stopped feeding her and my only regret is not doing it months earlier!

HMG107 · 14/06/2022 21:32

I get the constant big emotions when my 2.5 daughter has to spend a lot of time with me. I find parenting hard and become short tempered/distracted really quickly, which then exasperates the issue. Having her attend a childminders 3 days a week is the best for both of us - esp as she’s intelligent and needs a lot of stimulation, which is exhausting.

When my LO is feeling overwhelmed if I try to comfort her it my makes the situation worse. If I leave her and come back in about 30 minutes she’s ready for a hug and I can hold her whilst she calms down.

My LO clearly has ADHD (it runs in my family) so she does suffer from;

Emotional dysregulation
Rejection sensitivity
Impulsiveness

She also absolutely loves dangerous activities.

Being an ADHDer I understand her behaviour so am able to me more sympathetic than some but even when you get it parenting is tough. As others have said it does sounds like you need more me time.

GarthElgarsGlasses · 14/06/2022 21:55

Thanks for your replies. Another thing which makes me worry whether DS behaviour is “normal” is the amount of looks/comments we get, often from other parents.

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glittereyelash · 14/06/2022 22:03

There's definitely a few red flags in what you have posted. Maybe consider contacting your public health nurse for an assessment of need. My son has autism and I knew by the time he was six months old. However it took me over a year to be taken seriously by professionals because he met all his milestones early. The earliest signs were he was incredibly fussy, never sat still, was a dreadful sleeper, had a fascination with anything with wheels, constant stacking of items, and became overwhelmed by everyday noises very easily. I've linked up with a lot of parents of kids with autism and the majority just instinctually knew their was an issue. The main thing is getting a diagnosis and early intervention ❤️

MRex · 14/06/2022 22:05

Sleep sounds like a big issue. It sounds counter-intuitive, but does he need a nap in the day? You should nap too if he will, a week catching back up sleep and you'll be much better placed to catch up everything else.

trufflequeen · 14/06/2022 23:14

I have a 3 yo which sounds similar and I was at breaking point until the nursery contacted us with available spaces back in Easter. The kid that never sat down sits down and listens at circle time. The kid that used to be so full on with other kids that would eventually scare them away now plays nicely. It's only been two months and I can see huge changes. I still refuse to take him out to the zoo or some adventure stuff because he gets too over excited and when that's mixed with being overtired, I have people look at me either feeling sorry for me or judging me. So for now it's nursery and smaller parks until he can behave. Since nursery, ds comes home knackered and then just wants cuddles and to chill and I kind of wish that he had started nursery back in September which could have saved me having grey hairs. I stopped bf as well when he started nursery and now touch wood, he sleeps through the night and the boy that used to live on boobs was weaned off so easily. He still tries to play with it but it's getting less and less.

ForestFae · 14/06/2022 23:17

I have ADHD, so do all my 3dc and a lot of this is familiar, especially the big emotions, crappy sleep (my 4 year olds still don’t reliably sleep through) and hating you being out of their sight. Everyone who’s ever looked after any of my kids, individually or especially together, tells me how much more intense and hard work they are than other peoples lol.

I’d definitely be suspecting some type of neurodiversity with what you described.

ForestFae · 14/06/2022 23:19

GarthElgarsGlasses · 14/06/2022 21:55

Thanks for your replies. Another thing which makes me worry whether DS behaviour is “normal” is the amount of looks/comments we get, often from other parents.

Ignore that. I used to get comments about DS1 (out of all of them, he had the biggest public meltdowns) and it used to piss me off as well but people are just ignorant, unfortunately.

andjustlikethat1 · 23/09/2023 21:41

Hi there I am just checking in with you to see how your little one is doing now? I am very concerned about a little nephew xxx

E710 · 28/12/2024 22:55

Hi I was wondering how your little boy is doing now? He sounds very similar to mine with this behaviour!

GarthElgarsGlasses · 29/12/2024 11:20

@E710 Hi, my son has since been diagnosed with autism. How old is your son? xx

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E710 · 03/01/2025 21:47

Is he more settled and better with transitions being older? My little one is almost 3. He gets very upset when out especially when we have to leave to come home. He hates coming into the house and will cry everytime. It’s draining

GarthElgarsGlasses · 04/01/2025 07:15

Yes I remember this behaviour from my little boy at the same age. Transitions have definitely got easier. What’s his sleep like? My son would never sleep more than a couple of hours at a time, like a newborn, until he was about 3 and a half, he would
be wired constantly and would wake crazily early every day. I felt like although he found transitioning between activities hard it was exacerbated massively by the fact he was so tired.
I know how all of this feels/still does feel - here to chat any time you want to xx

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E710 · 11/01/2025 07:36

Glad to hear that things have got easier with your LO. There is light at the end of the tunnel 😂
He doesn’t sleep brilliantly, takes him ages to fall asleep and then wakes up a couple of hours later and comes in bed with me. 😴
thank you xxx

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