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PointeToPointe · 13/06/2022 01:22

the sensible part of my brain knows this is a bad idea but I really hate my skin so asking opinions / experiences. I can’t ask my parents or they would be mad at me haha

I’ve been thinking about going for sunbeds. I have psoriasis but it’s not for that, it’s purely to get a tan. I’ve been using fake tan (probably tried every brand and type available) but I’m at uni and my friends all tan really easily in the sun and some of them top it up by going for sunbeds and they always look so glowy and tanned. My skin type is extreme pale (Irish) and I have green eyes and fair hair so I NEVER tan in the sun (I didn’t wear sun cream in the Caribbean or in Europe on holidays and barely tanned). I burn a bit but not as badly as i would expect with being so pale, obviously I will burn a bit if I’m out in the blazing sun at the beach on holidays but never in Ireland or the UK.

I know about skin cancer and the risk but I keep thinking how small the risk is and that I’ve burned in the past so getting sunbeds now won’t make a difference now. We actually lost family members (before I was born) to a skin cancer which is usually very localised and not aggressive but apparently spread and became very aggressive and I’ve had other family from the same side suffer with melanoma (not sunbed related, just random). So I know how horrible skin cancer can be and obviously sunbeds are a bad idea if they increase the risk.

for what it’s worth I think other people look beautiful with pale skin but I just don’t suit it! I’m basically translucent

are sunbeds really as risky as they say? Since I’ve already had sunburn in the past would sunbeds really increase the risk of skin cancer significantly or would i be ok? Obviously skin cancer terrifies me and I don’t want to do damage to myself but if the risk is only tiny then would sunbeds be ok? Is there anyway to get sunbeds and reduce the risk of damage?

thanks x🥺

OP posts:
xxlockdownbabyxx · 13/06/2022 07:35

@GADDay evidence as requested. Although I doubt you will bother reading any of them ☺️

https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2005/03/6175/can-sunlight
help-prevent-skin-cancer

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/article-abstract/
2759002?
guestAccessKey=81a4arer-66d2-4f85-8d80-8d4draarc56e
Sutmsource=ForTheMedia&utmmedium=referral&
utmcampaign=ftmlinks&utmcontent=tfl&utmterm=
OI2I20

https://www.webmd.com/skin-problems-and-treatments/
news/20200121/fda-skin-absorbs-dangerous-sunscreen-
chemicals

https://www.webmd.com/skin-problems-and-treatments/
news/20200121/fda-skin-absorbs-dangerous-sunscreen-
chemicals

https://www.ewg.org/sunscreen/report/the-trouble-with
sunscreen-chemicals/

Franklyfrost · 13/06/2022 07:36

Don't do it.
Find some pale people who you think look good, take careful note of their make up, do some research about what make up suits your colouring… this can make a huge difference as your using products and techniques not designed for your skin. Go all out and do some sessions at beauty counters and how to make your skin suit you. (I know this might trigger a psoriasis flare up so take careful note of what’s going onto your skin as you experiment and add one product at a time into your regular routine.)

Darbs76 · 13/06/2022 07:37

Why on Earth are you not wearing suncream? That’s ridiculous in 2022 when we know so much about skin cancer

OhWhatFuckeryIsThisNow · 13/06/2022 07:37

You’ve heard the deep, real reasons for not using them, but I know as a blond non tanner who grew up in a country where everyone was golden brown (though 40 years later look like old handbags and are fighting melanoma) you so want to be like everyone else. But look at your mates, sure they are lovely, but do you not think they all look a bit the same? Be the one people remember.

Neverendingdust · 13/06/2022 07:39

DO NOT USE SUNBEDS

DO NOT USE SUNBEDS

DO NOT USE SUNBEDS

DO NOT USE SUNBEDS

DO NOT USE SUNBEDS

DO NOT USE SUNBEDS

OhWhatFuckeryIsThisNow · 13/06/2022 07:39

Webmd? They don’t even know the difference between men and women!

MistressWeatherwax1 · 13/06/2022 07:39

Have you seen a dermatologist for a treatment plan for your psoriasis? I've flared after my recent vaccine so I'm now on a biologic treatment which so far is working for me and there are loads of options out there if you can get a referral from your GP.

I've had psoriasis nearly all my life and know how much it affects my confidence. All my friends are glowy tanned and I'm pale with red hair, which I love, but sometimes need a bit of colour.

My legs are too bad to show even with tan so I keep them covered (my choice) but for my face I use the Jamie Genevieve Utan face mist and for the rest of me I use the Isle of Paradise tanning drops mixed in with my body lotion.

It's really not worth the risk of skin cancer. I know it feels crap right now not being able to feel more confident about your skin and wishing you could have a lovely summer glow like your friends but you'll feel far worse if you end up with skin cancer.

GADDay · 13/06/2022 07:40

Here are five essential facts about skin cancer and sunbeds that you should be aware of before deciding whether to use one.

  1. Using sunbeds for the first time before the age of 35 increases your risk of melanoma by 60%
Sun beds are just as dangerous for young people as they are for older people, even though the damage to the skin is less visible. Each time you use a sun bed you’re damaging your skin, but the evidence suggests that it’s particularly risky if you’re under 35. If you start using sunbeds when you’re younger than 35, you’re increasing your risk of melanoma by 60%. Melanoma is the most dangerous and aggressive type of skin cancer1.

It can be treated with surgery (which leaves a scar) but it can be fatal.

  1. The radiation from sunbeds is equivalent to ‘extreme’ tropical sun
The maximum legal radiation from sunbeds is not allowed to exceed 11 standard erythema doses per hour (erythema is the reddening of the skin caused by sunburn). This is not a safe level of UV radiation2 – it is equivalent to the strength of the sun at the tropics, near the equator.

The World Health Organisation describes this level of UV radiation as ‘extreme’ – it’s the strength of sun that would make you run for the shade if you were really out in it.

  1. The visible signs of UV-related skin damage can take 20 years to appear
We’re conditioned to see a tan as a sign of health, and we have become used to seeing magazines full of tanned, attractive people. But the reality is that a tan is actually a sign of damage – it’s something your body produces to try and protect the skin from further harm.

However, you can’t always see the other damage that UV radiation does to your skin straight away. In time, sun-damaged skin starts to look coarse, leathery and wrinkled – but it can take 20 years for the damage to appear

  1. Malignant melanoma is the most common form of cancer among women in their 20s

The harmful effects of tanning don’t always wait until later in life to appear, however. Malignant melanoma has recently overtaken cervical cancer to become the most commonly diagnosed form of cancer among women in their 20s3.

Melanoma is also one of the deadliest cancers for young people - it’s one of the main killers of 15-34-year-olds in the UK. Sunbed use is a large contributing factor to this alarming trend3.

  1. You make enough vitamin D by going about your daily life

There is a common misconception that using sunbeds is a good way to get the recommended level of vitamin D. Vitamin D is something your body creates when it is exposed to UV radiation. But any sunlight will do – and most people produce plenty of vitamin D simply by going about their daily lives.

People with naturally brown or black skin, people over the age of 65, pregnant and breastfeeding women and people who are housebound are more likely to have a vitamin D deficiency. It’s recommended that people with a vitamin D deficiency should take a 10 microgram supplement each day4.

GADDay · 13/06/2022 07:45

xxlockdownbabyxx · 13/06/2022 07:35

@GADDay evidence as requested. Although I doubt you will bother reading any of them ☺️

https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2005/03/6175/can-sunlight
help-prevent-skin-cancer

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/article-abstract/
2759002?
guestAccessKey=81a4arer-66d2-4f85-8d80-8d4draarc56e
Sutmsource=ForTheMedia&utmmedium=referral&
utmcampaign=ftmlinks&utmcontent=tfl&utmterm=
OI2I20

https://www.webmd.com/skin-problems-and-treatments/
news/20200121/fda-skin-absorbs-dangerous-sunscreen-
chemicals

https://www.webmd.com/skin-problems-and-treatments/
news/20200121/fda-skin-absorbs-dangerous-sunscreen-
chemicals

https://www.ewg.org/sunscreen/report/the-trouble-with
sunscreen-chemicals/

Oh my God. You may as well have quoted Enid Blyton for the accuracy of those sources.

I beg you to educate yourself. Melanoma is in many cases preventable.

You are just plain wrong. Please read the valid sources quoted.

flashpaper · 13/06/2022 07:45

xxlockdownbabyxx · 13/06/2022 07:35

@GADDay evidence as requested. Although I doubt you will bother reading any of them ☺️

https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2005/03/6175/can-sunlight
help-prevent-skin-cancer

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/article-abstract/
2759002?
guestAccessKey=81a4arer-66d2-4f85-8d80-8d4draarc56e
Sutmsource=ForTheMedia&utmmedium=referral&
utmcampaign=ftmlinks&utmcontent=tfl&utmterm=
OI2I20

https://www.webmd.com/skin-problems-and-treatments/
news/20200121/fda-skin-absorbs-dangerous-sunscreen-
chemicals

https://www.webmd.com/skin-problems-and-treatments/
news/20200121/fda-skin-absorbs-dangerous-sunscreen-
chemicals

https://www.ewg.org/sunscreen/report/the-trouble-with
sunscreen-chemicals/

Only one of these links worked for me. The first two both said page not found. The webmd ones all went to a page with loads of links on, so I clicked on the first one which was a page that recommended sunscreen. The last one was an interesting read, but no reference list for me to look further in to. Most references that aren't properly referenced at the end are actually just made up (Brown, 2022).

Northernsoullover · 13/06/2022 07:48

As someone who is waiting upon a response from a dermatologist for a suspect mole trust me when I say you do not want to be going through the anxiety I am right now. You are stupid.

BEAM123 · 13/06/2022 07:48

If you don't tan in other ways you won't tan on a sunbed, you just don't have melanin.

What you will get is a temporary pink glow from being hot, which you could probably get much more safely from a run round the block or a hot bath.

Try the tanning moisturisers eg Dove Derma spa for fair skin (lasts a couple of weeks), bronzer on face etc.

GADDay · 13/06/2022 07:50

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Message deleted by MNHQ. Here's a link to our Talk Guidelines.

I have reported your post as you are giving advice that could really do somebody harm.

WonderingWanda · 13/06/2022 07:54

Wear sunscreen and no sunbeds. Your skin type is the most vulnerable to sun damage because you are pale and have little natural melanin to protect you.

Things you can do. Look into hair colour and eyebrow or eyelash tints to improve how you look. I am fair and find that my eyebrows vanish in the sun and I look a bit odd. Also work out what colour clothes really work with your skin tone.

xxlockdownbabyxx · 13/06/2022 07:54

@GADDay the fact that you refer to cancer research as a "valid source" is laughable.
You go ahead and believe a company that makes BILLIONS. Yes let's tell everyone that we need vitamin D to survive, however the main source of Vitamin D will kill us all unless we use toxic sunscreens (which actually course cancer FYI) you should research that too 😉.

Yes I research from many many different places, rather than blindly believing everything you hear from companies that make money from people getting cancer.

Do your own research guys and actually educate yourself.

Over and out ✌🏼

seaUrchinOne · 13/06/2022 07:54

I have fair skin, tried sunbeds years ago, about it didn't do much other than costing money bringing my freckles out. You won't get much of a tan unless you repeatedly use it a lot, which is very damaging to your skin.

Notjustanymum · 13/06/2022 07:55

Please don’t use a sun bed, OP, and don’t compare yourself to your peers! That’s a rabbit-hole that will only lead to misery. Instead, embrace yourself and be “Bien dans sa peau“ (comfortable in your own skin), and wear a high factor sunscreen - you’ll be looking youthful at 40 if you do. A tan, any tan, is simply skin damage…

Stevienickssnickers · 13/06/2022 07:56

Have a search for the Nicola Roberts (from Girls Aloud) doc about tanning. It's probably on YouTube some where.

And yes you should be using daily sunscreen, if nothing else it will help reduce premature aging and sun damage. Sun beds are terrible and I'm so pleased we've moved on from having multiple tanning places on every high street.

GADDay · 13/06/2022 07:58

xxlockdownbabyxx · 13/06/2022 07:54

@GADDay the fact that you refer to cancer research as a "valid source" is laughable.
You go ahead and believe a company that makes BILLIONS. Yes let's tell everyone that we need vitamin D to survive, however the main source of Vitamin D will kill us all unless we use toxic sunscreens (which actually course cancer FYI) you should research that too 😉.

Yes I research from many many different places, rather than blindly believing everything you hear from companies that make money from people getting cancer.

Do your own research guys and actually educate yourself.

Over and out ✌🏼

The NHS and the WHO too.

Good lord - are you a flat earther?

EthicalNonMahogany · 13/06/2022 08:00

@xxlockdownbabyxx the first article refers to some early stage research in cultured cells and the conclusion is that skin benefits from vitamin D from a modicum of sunlight, as well as through diet.

It promises to be some useful addition to a complex understanding of how cancers develop in skin. But there's a reason why this kind of research isn't immediately translatable into "you should use sunbeds" or "you should not use sunbeds". It's one bit of a jigsaw.

Yes I appreciate that for interventions to be trialled and developed into national level guidance, that governments can use, there is a really long delay - and people have to make decisions in the meantime. and yes often there is less research attention given to things that are not associated with funding from pharma.

But you can't just go "sunbeds are fine because some sunlight is good for you says a study" because there isn't yet the weight of evidence to say so and there is quite a lot to say they are on balance harmful.

The other article in JAMA I couldn't link to it was broken. But I did find a lot of articles in the dermatology journal about the proven carcinogenic properties of sunbeds- so thanks for linking as it was an interesting read!

MiddleParking · 13/06/2022 08:00

Weren’t the tanning places on every high street mainly for money laundering anyway? Just with a little cancer-giving side hustle as a front.

Tiani4 · 13/06/2022 08:00

BEAM123 · 13/06/2022 07:48

If you don't tan in other ways you won't tan on a sunbed, you just don't have melanin.

What you will get is a temporary pink glow from being hot, which you could probably get much more safely from a run round the block or a hot bath.

Try the tanning moisturisers eg Dove Derma spa for fair skin (lasts a couple of weeks), bronzer on face etc.

This ^^

I'm very fair as well. I tried sun beds when I was younger , they don't work to tan you anymore than the sun does! You don't have the skin to tan and any efforts to get even a slight tan will be you causing damage to your skin.

I use Dove sun glow moisturiser on my legs so that they aren't completely white but still look natural. It doesn't stain and builds up slowly so 2-3 applications before you go on holiday will give you best you'll get! Wear factor 30 or 50 when you are there. I grew to love my skin colour- translucent white!! I love other peoples skin colours and ability to tan, but I had to accept it's not what my body does nor looks like.

Clovacloud · 13/06/2022 08:02

My friend would go and do a ‘starter tan’ on sunbeds for holidays, so maybe 5 sessions pre-holiday. It was just so she wouldn’t burn on holiday, then she’d use sunscreen when she went somewhere sunny, she’d been doing it since she was a teen.

Her first malignant melanoma was diagnosed at 25 and she was dead by the time she was 29.

DO NOT USE SUNBEDS!

EthicalNonMahogany · 13/06/2022 08:07

Cancer research the charity does make money which it demonstrates to the charity commission where it goes. Research can be funded by pharma and lots is also funded by governments for example UKRI in the UK funds much research. Funding is important and should be considered when you're thinking about why something is funded. But there is also a need for evidence to be produced in verifiable ways and the big organisations which promote research look to present the best scientific consensus. There's lots wrong with the system. However IMHO the biggest argument for the current system, and the often terrible stranglehold of journals & slow publication etc etc...is that when the media and social media just show random bits of research, some members of the public can't intepret them and start taking decisions based on evidence that isn't there.

CantBelieveTheTime · 13/06/2022 08:09

I used to go on sun beds a lot when I was younger. I hated having pale skin.

However, I can tell it's aged my skin. I'm only mid 30's now.
I wish I'd not used them but there's nothing I can do about that now.

I wear factor 50 sun lotion now even if it's only a little bit sunny.

I understand why you're thinking of using one but I'd really recommend you not doing. The risks are just too high. I think they should be banned. I can't believe sun bed shops are still open. I used to work in one for years so had easy access too!

Could you look at other tanning options if you really want a tan. There are so many options. Loads!

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