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London Transport Unions

35 replies

Finallylostit · 06/06/2022 21:19

Today instead of my 10 min walk to the tube and into work - I had to drive 20 mins to a national rail station which was open, pay nearly £20 for parking , an extra £22 on a train ticket to arrive in London.

I then had the choice of joining the queue for the bus- what a joke!
Join the queue for a taxi ha ha 123 in the queue and taxis turning up every 3-4 minutes or walking.
I walked 15234 steps

After standing working in an NHS hospital my 11 hr shift ended and walked 16284 steps back to the train station to catch the train home

An expense I did not need from a bunch of people who have just had a massive pay rise and this is not about safety because if it was - then please tell me when we can see a member of staff on the platform at Harrow on the Hill - helping people with buggies, disabled etc jump from platform to platform as you change them every 5 mins.

The thought of doing it again tomorrow is just depressing.

There is a cost of living crisis, spending an unnecessary £42 today which I can ill afford is not good.

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lonelyapple · 07/06/2022 16:18

sst1234 · 06/06/2022 22:17

The sooner their jobs are automated, the better.

This ^.

dreamingbohemian · 07/06/2022 16:25

How the hell can anyone think driving a train is an unskilled job. And no, we will not have automated tube trains for a very long time, there are considerable safety reasons for that.

Station staff are not just there to provide customer service, they are there to maintain safety especially in case of emergencies. Sadly people do jump in front of trains a lot, there are accidents and fights, all sorts of things happen that people need to manage so everyone else is safe.

There are about 2.5 million tube journeys every day. I don't think people really appreciate what a massive undertaking it is to move that many people around a large city safely. Of course not every TFL employee is amazing, of course you can dispute whether they should be striking or not, but these attitudes that you can rid of most of the staff and they're all unskilled, I mean wtf.

Fairisleflora · 07/06/2022 16:44

It takes 6 months to train an underground driver. That’s all. It’s hardly as though their job is remotely tricky. And yet they are paid salaries nurses can only dream of. This strike is a joke!

Fairisleflora · 07/06/2022 16:46

The basic salary is over £50k. No sympathy whatsoever!

stopringingme · 07/06/2022 16:48

It was station staff on strike not drivers.

I do wish posters would learn about something before posting - drivers are trained for at least six months before being able to drive on their own, they are then retested each year.

They have to be able to fix the train.

They are given their holidays and the only guaranteed day off is Christmas day.

They are also on a rota so very few weekends off.

It is shift work including nights.

The pay rise is swallowed up by the tax/national insurance and everything else, it is not the golden paying job some seem to think. After you take the amount of tax/national insurance paid out of the equation it is not well paid.

Unions are needed by the workers as TFL are always trying to squeeze every last drop out of the workers.

Station staff are needed, and they need more than one at each station for health and safety.

As in all jobs you get good and bad - that is life.

Do not believes everything you read in the newspapers.

Fairisleflora · 07/06/2022 16:55

Dear god, read your post again! 6 months training is nothing!!! And I’m pretty sure if the tube breaks down the driver doesn’t get out a spanner and get on his hands and knees to fix it. They get 43 days holiday.

And guess what, everyone in employment pays tax and ni! If you earn £30k then tax and NI eats up your salary so you get £24k. Being a tube driver sounds good. I’d apply, but I can’t as apparently TfL and the unions have an agreement that the general public are not allowed to apply for the driver training scheme.

daimbarsatemydogsbone · 07/06/2022 17:00

DdraigGoch · 07/06/2022 00:08

I'd like to see how a robot would deal with a train full of Saturday night drunks.

Have you ever seen Robocop? :)

BorisJohnsonsvomitbucket · 07/06/2022 17:34

Hello everyone. I am a tube station supervisor at a group of tube stations.

I was fortunate to not have to strike yesterday because of a rostered rest day. But If I was rostered on, I would have striked.

I just want to echo others that have knowledge of what's going on. Either as a staff member or partner of a staff member. Everything they are saying is correct.

My wage rise was part of a deal struck three years ago. TfL couldn't have predicted the rise in RPI back then. Unfortunately they preferred multiple-year pay deals. It came back to bite them on the bum. I don't think they will be doing it again.

Whilst my wage has increased over those years, my husband's has not. He's a postal worker. Postal workers have been offered a 2,2% pay rise this year, but to get that they have to work until 8pm, work Sundays and Bank Holidays. Since privatisation, postal workers real-time wages have reduced, whilst Royal Mail have cut staff to the bone. So my wages are now just about keeping us afloat. We live in a tiny flat in South London, mortgaged, and that's all we can afford. But going back to the postal workers, they are heading for strike too. Just like the couriers, airport staff, cabin crew, barristers (I was surprised how poorly paid they are) and of course the incoming national rail strike. Many TfL workers have partners whose wages have stagnated. Including healthcare staff.

I'll tell you how valuable having station staff is. About a month ago, a young woman approached me and said she was being followed. She said she lived a five minute walk away. It was 11.30pm. So I told the relevant people I'd be absent for a bit, opened all the gates, and accompanied her home. If she lived further away, I would have arranged a taxi. She comes back to see me often to say hello. Even her brother has visited to say thank you.

Some of my colleagues speak languages other than English. Vital in an emergency, or when talking about fares, or directions.

We assist people with extra needs. We guide people with visual impairment. We assist mobility impaired customers navigating stations with lifts and escalators. We help those with both obvious and hidden disabilities. We help when people fall ill on trains. We help when people cause hurt and distress to other people. We help when people want to hurt themselves.

We also do various things on and around the track to help keep the service going if needed. We crowd-control. We give information. We act on it too.

Usually I work by myself but have a part-timer at busy times. If I lose those part-timers, I am sunk. I can't manage my ticket hall and pull a sick person from a train at the same time. I can't help with an Oyster query and try and locate a lost suitcase concurrently. Just can't be done. So I'm fighting for their job. And around 600 others. You cannot automate us.

(Train automation requires billions of pounds of investment that TfL doesn't have so if you want to chat about that, we just say, "huh, that old chestnut")

I know what the Government want, and thats to sell off TfL. That's the background battle. But look at what happened after privatisation at Royal Mail. A bloody fire sale.

So in all, I empathise with OP. But if you want things to change, you have to take direct action. Yes, nurses etc need to threaten strikes! The threat of being bloody inconvenient changes things. (Green Park and Euston threatened to strike over a bullying manager during the Jubilee weekend and withdrew when that manager was moved) You have to join a union and you have to take part. There's a union for everyone. Yes, people moan about unions but we don't have anywhere near the same rights as in the 70s (look up anti-union laws brought in by the Tories). You don't even have to strike, but if your job relies on OT, don't do it. If your expected to look at emails and take phone calls after hours, turn off your devices. Being difficult works.

But anyway. I've typed enough. That's my take.

Finallylostit · 07/06/2022 18:26

I have no issues with unions am a member of one myself - but striking to the inconvenience of hundreds of thousands of people, endangering peoples lives and livelihoods - no I do not agree with.

Moving with the times and accepting practices change with technology, different ways of working etc - yes I do support

WE are all facing an increase in costs - but to have an additional unnecessary cost thrust on me, by people who may gain something but it will make absolutely no difference to my daily life - es I m entitled to be pissed off about.

If TFL is not getting enough monies from fares, then they need to look at where monies can be saved and part of that is staffing costs,

Still rarely seen a platform assistant on my commute which is where they are needed not sitting in the office!

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DdraigGoch · 07/06/2022 20:55

Fairisleflora · 07/06/2022 16:44

It takes 6 months to train an underground driver. That’s all. It’s hardly as though their job is remotely tricky. And yet they are paid salaries nurses can only dream of. This strike is a joke!

If it's such an easy and well-remunerated job then why haven't you applied? Have you ever actually driven a train? It's not as easy as you think, anyone can get one moving but stopping steel wheels on steel rails accurately is an art form, especially with a slippery railhead.

Never mind the fact that RMT members are mostly not drivers and therefore are on significantly less money with added aggro (they're more likely to have to deal with drunk/drugged/aggressive passengers than drivers are).

For all of you banging on about automation, forget it. The capex required to automate the tube stretches into billions and you still need a human onboard to supervise because funnily enough sending thousands of people (in whatever state of inebriation) into tunnels with no one on hand if something goes wrong is a recipe for chaos.

If TfL are struggling for funds, perhaps they ought to review some of the Mayor's vanity projects.

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