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To want to know more about this family history stuff...or should it all just stay in the past?

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Rojan · 02/06/2022 13:55

I never met any of my fathers family. I was told his mum died when he was a young child, and his dad also had died years earlier, and accepted that. My dad was brought up from infancy to age 11 by his maternal grandparents as his mum had severe MH issues. At 11 his dad remarried, and he moved to live with him his new wife and their children.

Many years later when my dad died, I found out that he had (during my lifetime) been living under a different name to his birth name. He'd taken my mum's surname and used his middle name as a first name. So if he was John Edward Smith and my mum was Jane Brown, he called himself Eddie Brown. My parents were never married (I didn't know this while they were alive) and my dad was married to someone else.

I did some research after my dad died, and found his real name, and details of his parents and his wife (I recently found out she only died 2 years ago). His dad died when I was a teenager, and his mum died when my dad was in his 30s, not a child. I couldn't find any details of divorce or subsequent marriage for his dad.

I just have so many unanswered questions about it all. Particularly my grandmother, was she in an institution for 30 years? Did my dad even know or did they just tell him she died?

There's no one I can ask about this, my dad had a close friend who died before him but no others. None of my mums family who are still living knew anything about my dad's life before he met my mum. I don't know to what extent I can research via Ancestry or similar - or whether I'd just be wasting my time?

I don't know why I want to know. Part of me thinks maybe some stuff I'm not meant to know, and if i do delve into it all, what will I do with that information? But I keep coming back to it.

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Speakuptomakeyourselfheard · 02/06/2022 14:04

Personally I'd leave it in the past, life is for the living, and why waste time on something that you may never get to the bottom of? But that's just me, so if you keep coming back to it, then perhaps you should delve as far as you can, although it does sound like a bit of a tricky thing to find out about. Good luck, if you decide to explore things further.

ThreeLittleDots · 02/06/2022 14:08

Fascinating! If any investigation is unlikely to hurt anyone, crack on I say. Ancestry may be able to help, or an expert who does this sort of exploration.

NotDavidTennant · 02/06/2022 14:12

Did your dad have any siblings?

ProfYaffle · 02/06/2022 14:13

I think it's natural to want to know about your past. I've done quite a lot of family history research and found it comforting to understand where I came from.

Whether you'll find what you need to know if a bit pot luck tbh. As well as the usual births/marriages/deaths you can sometime find records of institutions but if it was reasonably recent you may have issues with confidentiality. If you start a tree on ancestry you may find other distant relative with information you don't have. Until you look you don't know!

Rojan · 02/06/2022 14:14

I don't think it can hurt anyone. I'm an only child. My dad did have a brother (sorry, forgot to mention that in my OP), who died a few years back, he had 1 child who has also since died. My dads half siblings I couldn't find any details of, they would be in their 80s now if still alive. Maybe thats why I'm curious because I'm potentially the last one from that part of the family.

I've never seen photos of any of my dads family, not even of my dad before he was 45 (the age he was when he met my mum).

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ProfYaffle · 02/06/2022 14:19

I'm an only child too, I think that does have a bearing on wanting to know this stuff. Would you consider a dna test? If you do one with ancestry they'll link you to anyone on there with a genetic link to you (if they've given permission for their details to be made public)

PastMyBestBeforeDate · 02/06/2022 14:28

I would think it would be really difficult to find out the sort of things you'd really like to know. You could discover where your grandmother was but finding out what her sons were told and why needs letters or memories.

SchoolThing · 02/06/2022 14:33

Knowing who and where you come from is an important part of finding your sense of belonging in the world.

I would really encourage you to investigate. Good luck!!!

fyn · 02/06/2022 14:35

Have a watch of the Stacey Dooley programme, DNA Secrets that’s on BBC2 at the moment. It’s really fascinating and they look at cases like yours.

Rojan · 02/06/2022 14:35

With my grandmother I think I'd like to know what happened to her, was she kept in an institution for 30 years or was she ever released? My dads last memory of her was aged 5 or so, she was clearly very unwell and he was taken to see her. She cried and begged him to take her home 😥as far as I know he never saw her again.

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Rojan · 02/06/2022 14:36

I'd not thought about DNA but it's definitely something I'd consider.

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Movinghouseatlast · 02/06/2022 14:37

I have just done an ancestry DNA test and I think I have traced my real dad! I only had a name, but because of 3 matches with his great great great aunt I have traced through from her.

I was also contacted by a lady who is my 1st cousin once removed on my mothers side and we have been swapping family stories.

Noelsjumper · 02/06/2022 14:48

It sounds like such a sad tale. Unfortunately ancestry etc only really work for family history 100+ years ago in terms of documents etc due to confidentiality I think. You can create a tree and potentially connect with distant relatives who could fill in the gaps/may upload more recent things. Might be best to try one of those DNA kits that link in with it?

Have you searched the archives of local newspapers to see if there's any mention of the family?

Back in the day it was fairly common to go by your middle name rather than your own name, and I'd imagine it might have been difficult for your grandfather to get divorced if your grandmother didn't have capacity. Ruby Wax's episode of Who Do You Think You Are might be quite interesting for you as I think she has a similar story in part of her family.

NotDavidTennant · 02/06/2022 14:50

Sites like Ancestry will help you piece together a family tree, but if you want life stories of individuals you really need to find some people who actually knew them.

balalake · 02/06/2022 14:53

How will you feel if you don't try to find out? Records post 1921 that are accessible are limited though.

godmum56 · 02/06/2022 14:54

I would leave it in the past. There are unanswered questions in both my family and in my late husbands. we figured if people didn't want this stuff known its not up to us to go against their wishes.....Different if you have medical reasons for knowing.

Whatapickle21 · 02/06/2022 15:03

I would definitely recommend doing a DNA test and registering with Ancestry. My paternal grandmother died when my dad was a baby and he went into care, with no dad on the scene. I had no knowledge of anything from that side of the family. I have now found lots of extended family on Ancestry and learned a lot about events in the past. It has definitely brought me some comfort and closure, plus new family members (including a nephew that I did know existed and only discovered through DNA, which was amazing!) Not every discovery is necessarily positive but I found that getting answers was important to me.

Investicat · 02/06/2022 15:06

If you make a family tree using what you know on ancestry and link it to a DNA test on there you might be able to make contact with cousins etc who may be able to fill in the gaps.

I would be wary though. I have found out some stuff about certain family members I would probably in hindsight have preferred not to know.

Dominuse · 02/06/2022 15:09

Is it likely you Dad had an affair and lived with his OW (your mum) as his wife wouldn’t give him a divorce (was common in the 59/60/70)

WhereYouLeftIt · 02/06/2022 15:12

I would want to know.

Blossomtoes · 02/06/2022 15:15

SchoolThing · 02/06/2022 14:33

Knowing who and where you come from is an important part of finding your sense of belonging in the world.

I would really encourage you to investigate. Good luck!!!

This. It would torment me unless I’d at least tried to investigate. There’s nobody left to be harmed by it. I wish you luck too.

Rojan · 02/06/2022 15:55

This is all very very long ago, my dad if still alive would be almost 100 now. His marriage was just after the war ended. There were no children of the marriage and I did find my dad on electoral rolls from the 1950s living alone or certainly not with his wife. He didn't meet my mum until 1970 so I don't think it was an affair as such. But I don't know for certain of course.

I have looked through news archives and similar, there was something about my grandmother winning a prize as a child, and a couple of other bits and pieces but not much more. I did find my grandfather in the war archives, he was in the Royal Marines from 1912.

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2catsandacomputer · 02/06/2022 16:18

Like others, I would also recommend doing a DNA test through Ancestry and/or 23andme.

I did both and connected with a number of 2nd and 3rd cousins that I didn't know anything about.

One cousin in particular, his mother was adopted and they knew nothing about her birth mother's family.

The adopted child, along with her son, had emigrated to the USA just after World War 2 (she was a war bride) and he now lives in Colorado. Nobody knew anything about their family history from the UK.

After we worked out how closely we were related, combined with what little information they had about his mother I was able to identify who his mother was (it turned out that my grandfather and his grandmother were brother and sister - so his mother (the adopted child) and my mother were cousins) and gave him a whole load of information about his family that he had no idea about.

It absolutely blew him away. He had resigned himself to never really knowing anything about his mother's birth family (she died quite young) and was overwhelmed that just from his daughter doing a DNA test he was able to find out about his real family.

My mother is still alive (she's in her 80s) and I spoke to her about her adopted cousin and she was able to fill in a lot of the story as to why it happened.

I also shared this story with some friends of mine who live in the US and I was surprised that a number of them then opened up and said that they had similar stories of finding unknown cousins from when children had been adopted or otherwise looked after.

Greenpolkadot · 02/06/2022 16:27

I have been researching my family history for years, its fascinating.
I would encourage you to get your DNA tested. All sorts of links come to light then.
Researchers help each other and while you may never find the reasons why your father changed his name, you may discover photos of the grandparents you never knew

Good luck

yesthatisdrizzle · 02/06/2022 16:33

Hi OP, there is a 'genealogy' board on MN with some knowledgeable people, so maybe ask some questions on there?