Not to understand resistance to gun control

[Maggiethecat]

I understand that it serves those with financial interests but cannot understand why Joe Bloggs wouldn't want restrictions on eligibility to carry guns. It's not as if guns are being banned and their freedom is being taken away, it's that there should be reasonable checks carried out.

Are Americans not exhausted by the mass shootings and wonder why this is the only country in the world with such a dismal record?

Hundreds of Americans have been killed in workplace shootings. www.statista.com/statistics/476400/workplace-shootings-in-the-us-by-victim-count/

Many millions of Americans (not all of them) think that the answer to gun violence is more guns.

Isn't that our attitude to nuclear weapons though?

No it isn't - Nuclear weapons aren't in active everyday use.

Although the flippant in me wants to say "don't give the NRA ideas".

Gun ownership in France, legal and illegal is surprisingly high.

A few more now. That person commenting that the Charlie Hebdo attack wouldn't have happened in the US were utterly full of shit.

uk.news.yahoo.com/tulsa-shooting-police-confirm-fatalities-231701183.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly91ay55YWhvby5jb20v&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAABp0uO2Zl89lDvNA9BFKHpICSKqd6q_u-UGZZOxedE_jRvpzfNrFINQ50Z8OnTqzVZyNAtIs5_HVCuFfe2TDN1BOPpmo7Na57xirMBia3vOq9u-OXCI6ALiiF4psFo1DzqA3jmrcmzFwqDI0Nv_Mriv4tqys_1SoTFvGuS1FtGXT

A major point of resistance to gun control is lack of faith that the government would do anything to get guns out of the hands of criminals, so you'd end up with the situation where criminals had guns but law-abiders did not. As it is, the mere threat that a law-abider might have a gun deters a lot of crime from happening.

Not saying that's right, but that's how people see it.

Aren't most gun deaths in the US with individuals' own guns? And not through someone taking your gun and using it against you, but you accidentally shouting yourself in the head with your own gun. Gun owners and their kids literally killing themselves isn't enough to make them think something needs to change

Another mass shooting, this time at a hospital.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-61669873

I wonder if these events are so commonplace that they don’t even get reported by some media outlets in the US and even when they are if many have simply become desensitised to another mass shooting.

My son is at university in Texas. Went to the gym with a buddy who unpacked his gym kit, including a handgun. The buddy saw nothing odd about taking a handgun to a gym.
it’s not going to change.

@Maggiethecat - The Oklahoma hospital shooting is getting coverage here (at least in my news sources). I'm not getting desensitized. I'm feeling increasingly paranoid and so are my friends.

I can see why people would feel numb and hopeless. I'm not sure how anyone could become desensitized to murder.

I understand that it serves those with financial interests but cannot understand why Joe Bloggs wouldn't want restrictions on eligibility to carry guns. It's not as if guns are being banned and their freedom is being taken away, it's that there should be reasonable checks carried out.

Because it won't end there. The left wing political objective is to totally destroy the 2nd Amendment. And those who know history have learned that the right to bear arms is the backstop against left wing dictators, left wing tyranny, and left wing mass murder of the population.

Are Americans not exhausted by the mass shootings and wonder why this is the only country in the world with such a dismal record?

It's quite likely that the most recent school shooting (Uvalde) was a botched false flag operation, created by the Feds to try and boost support for abolishing the 2nd Amendment.

Look at the facts:

1. A shooter of seemingly very limited financial means somehow managed to purchase approximately $6000 worth of equipment. This included two top-of-the-range Daniel Defense assault rifles at around $2000 each. Numerous extra magazines. A large quantity of ammunition. Body armour. Expensive optical sights.


2. Everything he bought/used is exactly the kind of equipment that left wing politics wants to outlaw.


3. A teacher or other school worker reportedly propped an external security door open just minutes before the shooter turned up.


4. A US Army reconnaissance aircraft was tracked flying over the area at the exact time the shooter turned up.


5. The local police department stood around and did nothing to stop the shooter, actively prevented parents from intervening, and are now refusing to cooperate with the local investigation.


6. Left wing politicians have little to no interest in improving school security, they just want to take all the guns.


7. The shooting was ended by an off-duty Border Patrol officer, who borrowed his barber's shotgun (he was getting his haircut at the time) and raced to the scene after his wife sent a text message saying there was an active shooter (his daughter was also at the school).


8. The shooting happened just before the NRA annual meeting in nearby Houston.


9. These types of shootings never seem to involve NRA members.


10. There have been allegations of shooters having been groomed by federal agents.

Nope, because they sincerely believe that the United States is the greatest country in the world and that we are not as free as they are because we do not have the right to 'bear arms'.

Maybe not desensitised, but I think many people have simply given up hope that there will ever be any kind of gun control, and so the best thing to do is just get on with your life and make the most of it.

Offer thoughts and prayers every time there is a mass shooting, and pray you are
not the victim the next time there is one.

Yes, but what if he came across two snakes? Then he would be able to shoot them both at the same time.

Shouting 'conspiracy theory' is just intellectually lazy.

Please do everyone a favour, and provide a proper rebuttal of the points I raised.

@ocs30 - I expect that @YorkshireDude will rebut that that article is fake news and cling to the belief that it was the parent who took the gunman out. All the more justification for more guns and even for teachers to be armed in schools.

I would be amused at point 3 if the situation weren’t so dire. Imagine a teacher or someone deliberately left the door unlocked for the shooter so they could expose themselves to the risk of being shot 🤔

I despair - and I don’t even live in the US!

No. You show me reliable sourcing for any specifics you've listed. Copying and pasting from conspiracy theory websites without doing any digging into sourcing of the information is what's intellectually lazy.

Right. If I have copied and pasted, you'll easily be able to prove it by showing everyone a website that has everything I said, word for word. But you won't be able to, so let's just agree that you lied.

And most people just believe whatever narrative the MSM feeds them, and never think about anything. The inability or unwillingness to put together many pieces of information, and spot the parts that don't fit the official narrative, is what's lazy and unthinking.

"There have been allegations of shooters having been groomed by federal agents" is not a point. It's an unsubstantiated allegation.
That's why I said it was an allegation. And it was based on information and allegations from previous shootings. Did you really think the FBI would just come straight out and say 'Yeah, we look for people who are a bit unhinged with mental health issues, then we mentor and finance them to do a mass shooting'?

And right off the top of my head, I can show you that point 7 is a facebook rumour and is untrue.
So, one minor detail, over who exactly killed the shooter might be wrong. Is that the best you've got?

And using Politifact to prove anything is just a joke. As the attached image demonstrates, they brazenly contradict themselves, because they know most people are too lazy to read beyond the headline:

@YorkshireDude - but you’ve referred to the 10 points as facts. Have you checked out their credibility yourself?

If point 7 (now a minor detail) is not true then why would you believe the other ‘facts’?

@ocs30 - I expect that @YorkshireDude will rebut that that article is fake news and cling to the belief that it was the parent who took the gunman out. All the more justification for more guns and even for teachers to be armed in schools.
Local police did nothing for a long time, and just left the shooter to do their evil. So yes, that's a strong argument to keep arms in the hands of people who have some skin in the game, and that would be the parents. From that point of view, if this was a false flag operation to try and disarm the population, it's massively backfired.

I would be amused at point 3 if the situation weren’t so dire. Imagine a teacher or someone deliberately left the door unlocked for the shooter so they could expose themselves to the risk of being shot 🤔
Well, the authorities can't seem to get their story straight on the issue of the door that was left propped open. So that's probably a sign that panic is setting in because they've been rumbled. In this article it's claimed that the story has changed no less than 13 times.

Texas authorities claimed a teacher propped open the back door of Texas school just before the gunman attacked. Now they say the teacher actually closed it before the shooting.

I'm amazed that people continue to have such blind trust in the authorities and the government, and never stop to ask why so many things don't fit the official narrative, or why the official narrative keeps changing.

@YorkshireDude - it must be awful to live in a country where your own government makes a calculated decision to kill children in order to try to curb gun ownership. 🤔

Since you seem to be in the know, is the government also behind the Buffalo shooting and yesterday’s Oklahoma one? Do tell.

I could equally well ask why you believe the authorities when their story changes so many times?

13 times Texas police have changed their story of what happened during the school shooting that left 19 children dead

At one point they were even claiming that the shooter was in custody! How could they get something as basic as that incorrect, unless the original plan was that he would be arrested alive, but in the event the plan went totally wrong? This has all the signs of a false flag operation that didn't go according to plan.

@YorkshireDude - it must be awful to live in a country where your own government makes a calculated decision to kill children in order to try to curb gun ownership. 🤔
You don't get it do you. How many Iraqis do you think died after the US and UK lied about Saddam having WMDs? They wanted regime change in Iraq, and they fabricated a case for it.

They want to disarm the American population, so ....

Are you really unable to join up the dots? They're control-obsessed psychopaths, and they'll do whatever is necessary to reach their objective.

Since you seem to be in the know, is the government also behind the Buffalo shooting and yesterday’s Oklahoma one? Do tell.
I've no idea. I don't have limitless time to look into every shooting, and I don't think they're all false flag operations. Why don't you look into them? Oh! But you won't, because you've already demonstrated that you just unquestioningly lap up whatever you're told!

It's very Sir Humphrey:

"Is this rumour true?"
"It is true that it is rumoured"

You can tell yourself that you and any gun-toting friends you might have will be different heroes but I can assure you with almost complete certainty you wouldn''t be.

I dunno, I'd imagine that YorkshireDude & Co will show no fear before running into that school and pumping everything that moves full of lead.

The fact that in their gung-ho incompetence they will have killed the remaining children and possibly each other in the process will be overlooked.

@ocs30 - I genuinely feel for you if this is what you have to deal with.