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Feeling meh - adult female friendships

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PoppiesandPeonies22 · 23/05/2022 11:13

Comment a fair amount but nc as potentially outing.

Firstly, this isn’t really an aibu, I’m more just hijacking a busy thread to offload in safe anonymous space, I know I’m likely being unreasonable and a touch of any of the other well worn Mn tropes posters like to tell the OP when they are posting about friendship – ‘you sound controlling/silly/like a teenager/jealous’ ‘you can’t control other people’ etc. I know all this thank you. As I said I just need to go blurghh.

Background: relocated just before the pandemic (to be near DH’s ailing parents) not been easy making connections at my age and in the pandemic. DC started school last year and was hoping it would be a nice opp or us all to make friends. Phew, it has been quite a baptism of fire, I know some people talk about it but was not prepared for the level of cliquey, bitchiness, I thought like people often say on here it is exaggerated. It is not where DC is. This seems to be perpetrated by a certain group of women/children in DC’s class.

Anyway, despite this DC has made the odd friendship and one close one in particular whose Mum and Dad we also happily really get on with, I’ve become really quite close with this Mum (we also socialise as families) and it’s really the first time I’ve met someone through DC whom I have lots in common with.

This DF and child have been subjected to much of what we have by the group of women/children I first mentioned but has I would say taken it worse than I, on reflection I feel she thinks she should have been included in this group whereas I know really I wouldn’t have much in common so not overly bothered. DF has bitched relentlessly about them – much of it deserved frankly but a few things have made me feel more than uncomfortable actually and have made me question how nice she actually is.

There’s also been quite a lot of gossiping, much of this has clearly been gleaned first hand and DF Told me how ‘whenever so and so speaks to you it’s like she’s talking to some uncouth alien’ so obviously has been but I was unsure how as whenever I do pick up these particular women don’t seem to be doing it anymore and if they are don’t talk to DF/us.

Weirdly though DF changed one of the days she does pick up earlier in the year -to a day I don’t, it was odd at the time as she was strange/cagey as to why, which I couldn’t understand, but soon forgot about as who cares really/not important, but she never did give a real reason thinking back. This gossip must be being gleaned on this day and this is when she is talking to them or one person in particular, now pretty certain as my childminder was ill a few weeks ago and I picked up on this day totally last min, I flew in late due to work and there she was chatting cosily with one particular woman.

FF to this weekend DF and family came to us for brunch, their DC was doing something a little ‘naughty’ and friend’s DH said ‘Oh they’ve gotten that from that Sammy when he came over the other day’ I looked confused as it was said like I should know who this is - didn’t, but then clicked it was one these women’s DC and Sammy is from class. My DF went bright red and it momentarily got very awkward. DF’s DC is not friends with Sammy or definitely wasn’t. DF was very aggrieved about this at one point, her DC is one of oldest in class (as is Sammy) my DC is one of the youngest (v late summer) but certainly holds their own in terms of language and social skills, they certainly aren’t holding anyone back, but DF was moaning about her DC not holding their own with and being excluded by the other older children (most of whose parents are in the original clique I mentioned).

DF hadn’t mentioned this playdate (I mean yes I know why would she in some respects – but come on!!) and when also remembering the other week at pick up, I’ll admit I momentarily felt a little wrongfooted and to my embarrassment jealous, I’m pretty certain (although I will say we’d had a few glasses bubbles at that point) DF sensed this and almost then began to dig the knife and every conversation was turned round (completely tenuously) to this woman, even DH who doesn’t normally notice these things was a bit 😏. She even started calling her by an ‘in friend’ joshing name – think normally known as Gillian but calling her 'Gilly', it was like the 40 yo version of my new friend has two ponies, my new friend has met Take That, as jealous I felt it was also super cringey and I think emboldened by the fizz on DF’s part.

This was on Sat, and I spent all day yesterday feeling really, really meh. So embarrassed with myself at being slightly jealous and panicking that I am going to be ‘dropped’ as we really do have so much in common, but also being WTAH you have bitched and gossiped to me mercilessly about this woman, some of it downright nasty and I know anyone would be furious to know things they had said to someone whom they were making an attempt to be friendly with (which they must have been given what I saw on that pick up day) was then being repeated and gossiped about to another Mum. And then furious that was obviously trying to make me feel bad, or now as I’m writing it I’m thinking maybe she wasn’t and just has zero social awareness, it was super cringe.

I think by the end of the Bruch I think I was probably struggling to keep a poker face on how I was feeling and DF was feeling a bit guilty (fizz probably wearing off), as she was being super gushy with me on leaving and I think I was a little ‘yes goodbye now, off you fk’ (which I'm ashamed off as I try not to let my emotions get the better of me like that - it's a silly game to get into) as I haven’t heard a sausage from her, which of course has enraged me even more that she has not bothered to send even a courtesy message to say thanks for the frankly lovely food and drink.

Urghhhhh to be feeling like this at 40 years old!!

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fdgdfgdfgdfg · 23/05/2022 11:25

To me, that wall of text came across as "Person talks to other person, so I threw a strop"

The only person I see being cliquey here is you

CharSiu · 23/05/2022 11:40

That level of angst and the way your text jumps about shows an intensity that would have people backing away. You NEED to calm down.

PoppiesandPeonies22 · 23/05/2022 11:41

Okaayyy not sure how I 'threw a strop'?!? I've not mentioned anything to anyone re this, which I have said at the beginning of the post.

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midlifecrash · 23/05/2022 11:52

I think she’s one of those who likes drama and tries to manipulate and exaggerate situations. I understand your annoyance at yourself for having the feelings she was aiming to create, but what she did was self-centred and hostile. I would be pissed off, and trying to work out why, etc, it’s like a mental food poisoning

Thatboymum · 23/05/2022 11:52

I think as her friend knowing how upset being pushed out made her feel you should be happy for her that she’s been welcomed by the group and not bitter and jealous as your coming across. She’s an adult she doesn’t have to explain her pick up days to you and certainly doesn’t have to defend herself in making new friendships. You were frosty with her when she was leaving and I have to say I wouldn’t go out my way to contact you if I was her I’d have felt so uncomfortable and guilty for being happy. You sound a bit suffocating as a friend and I have no time for friends like that.

Anycrispsleft · 23/05/2022 11:58

If she's bitching to you about Gilly, you can be pretty certain she's bitching to Gilly about you...

FullBush · 23/05/2022 12:08

She sounds desperate to be part of the ‘in’ group and has been somewhat using you as a stop-gap friend, whilst she still tries to get in with the ‘in’ group. You’re the fall-back.

PinkPiranha11 · 23/05/2022 12:09

I have a similar thing to this at the moment and have been pushed out of the group by one particular mum. It’s hard but you just need to let it go. Be polite, chat and smile when needed but do not try to be friends with these women. It sounds hard work and you don’t need that energy drain. Find some other friends (I know that’s tricky as an adult) or just do what I’ve done and decide not to bother. Once your kids go to secondary school there won’t be any school gate shit really so just let it go.

Londonisnotcalling · 23/05/2022 12:10

.. and you’re fair you fucked either way now a as she will use you (blabbing about you, maybe say I f you’ve said bad stuff about these people) as a social currency to get in with ‘in’ group.

I’d be very careful what you tell her.

PoppiesandPeonies22 · 23/05/2022 12:12

@Anycrispsleft this is why I'm questioning things as she has honestly been so gossipy and downright nasty about this woman to me.

@Thatboymum I am in no way suffocating but I do think if you're going to spend 6 months gossiping and bitching about someone on the level she had I think there is probably a little explaining to do is there not, even if it's just actually spoke to so and so properly and she's actually okay.i mean that's the crux of why it's awkward and also because she has been so very disparaging whilst all the while trying to engineer a friendship with this person, I think that's what she changed the pick up day and was odd about it, I don't care and I said that, who would, that's why it was strange that there seemed to be a lot of hand wringing over it at the time.

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drpet49 · 23/05/2022 12:14

She sounds desperate to be part of the ‘in’ group and has been somewhat using you as a stop-gap friend, whilst she still tries to get in with the ‘in’ group. You’re the fall-back.

^This is how I see it too

PoppiesandPeonies22 · 23/05/2022 12:15

@Londonisnotcalling thankfully I have never said anything mean/bitchy I like to think I'm really quite nice, I have just had my ear bent, I don't know them enough and haven't had quite the level of venom, mostly I just complained initially that oh yes they're like that with me DH/DC here's why I think and don't worry

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user1469544430 · 23/05/2022 12:47

Hmm I think you have been the stop gap friend too. My advice would be to remain civil to all but find some other way to make friends and just let go of the idea of making mum friends at this school: I know it's hard with kids, but some other hobby or group.
Once I stopped trying to make mum friends at the gates a few other loners started chatting to me. Just small talk. That's fine - I have other friends with other interests.

Sittingonabench · 23/05/2022 12:50

You’ve allowed yourself to become too invested in the friendship when there have been indications from the start that she is still acting like she’s in school. Time to reevaluate, put a bit of a shield up and just keep things friendly. E.g. oh it’s nice that your child and the other are developing a friendship, it’s good you’re widening your network of mother friends, not really my thing but glad for you. If she really wants to be in that crowd then good luck to her but I would stay well out of it as you will end up being hurt

Glitterspy · 23/05/2022 14:08

Some people make friends by having a lovely cosy bitch and moan about others.

Never entertain this: if you do, such people are generally very two-faced and soon will be making friends with others by having a cosy bitch and moan about you.

Some people literally have nothing better to talk about.

She’s not your friend OP, I’m sorry cos I know it sucks to be alone at the school gate.

DrManhattan · 23/05/2022 18:00

You are kidding yourself if you think she's not slagging you off

Cliftontherocks · 23/05/2022 18:10

Anycrispsleft · 23/05/2022 11:58

If she's bitching to you about Gilly, you can be pretty certain she's bitching to Gilly about you...

This

Pumperthepumper · 23/05/2022 18:16

The first thing you have to do is stop this idea of cliques. They’re just friends, that’s it. They don’t have to include everyone, they’re allowed to be friends.

watcherintherye · 23/05/2022 18:20

Can’t you try and get in with the ‘in’ crowd? You could change one of the days you pick up to a day when she doesn’t. Meet fire with fire.

PoppiesandPeonies22 · 23/05/2022 19:51

@DrManhattan oh yes I know that.

Yeah I have haven't I @Sittingonabench there's been other things as well, and i stepped back for a bit and then she started being nicer/kinder, reeled me back in eh.

Bloody hell @PinkPiranha11 I know but it's a bloody long time until high school! All I'm thinking is we are renting at present and although we wouldn't move them we might end up buying somewhere that this isn't the local school so might be able to move.

Bloody hell I miss my nice, normal easy going friends!

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catandcoffee · 23/05/2022 19:58

Never ever trust someone who gossips/ slags off others, as they will do the exact same thing to you.

Regardless of how much you have in common. I speak from bitter experience.

DrinkFeckArseBrick · 23/05/2022 20:13

I dont know if I'd have quite as extreme a reaction as you (jealousy) but I think I'd be a bit taken aback if someone relentlessly slagged someone off to me and then were trying to be mates with them. More in a 'why did you waste all my time moaning' type way.

I'd be very careful about this woman. She is shallow and bitchy. Saying she wants her son to have friends of the same age who challenge him (paraphrasing) is kind of an insult. I'd predict she will clamber all over anyone just to get her son to be more 'popular' and this will involve dropping you at some point when you're no longer useful to her. Why would you want to be friends with that?

Saying that, being cool with her isn't called for. I'd stay polite and friendly and still see them, for now, for your son's sake, but don't make the mistake of thinking when your sons are old enough to sort out their own social lives that you will still be friends

PoppiesandPeonies22 · 24/05/2022 09:34

@DrinkFeckArseBrick I know right, I was like okaaayyyy, so you're friends now?!? It was almost like was in awe, it was v awkward embaressing, like I said even my DH was 🤔sorry who's the hell is Gilly?!? Didn't say those exact words but you get the drift.

Yes I was very insulted re the older children thing, it was aimed at abother onr of the younger ones that sometikes plays with them but i was like hang on my DC is the second youngest yes language/social skills more developed but are ypu including us in this, our DCs had a lovely friendship at the time and it just seemed a little sad really.

Yes know re being cool, I didn't make a conscious decision but it was just my after analysis and then having not heard from her I think I may have been.

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