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Batshit Neighbours - how would you respond to this message?

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carolinesfrog · 20/05/2022 12:01

This message is from the neighbours of a rental property my Mum has.

Neighbours HATE the tenants, who are perfectly lovely people. Neighbours like to complain a lot. Neighbours have sent this message.

How would you reply?!

Batshit Neighbours - how would you respond to this message?
OP posts:
user1471504747 · 22/05/2022 12:24

SallyB392 · 22/05/2022 02:42

I'm sorry, but to start with I thought that this was a joke, and then realised that it's actually serious.

If she hasn't already, your relative needs to check the tenancy agreement to see if it allows tenants to carry out a business , or perhaps the tenant is 'working from home'; a very different position. If the latter is the case perhaps this needs to be discussed, but in this case, it's worth checking if the COVID position remains ' working from home if possible or if there is a medical reason why the tenant needs to work from home.

But in any case, if they are good tenants it may be worth taking this message to CAB and get some legal advice. I suspect that the neighbours are Going to be a pain whatever you do.

Why on earth would a tenant not be allowed to work from home? Your post is even more batshit than the neighbour Grin

Threetulips · 22/05/2022 12:37

Working from home could be

dog grooming
fixing cars / valeting
massage/spa

With a stream of constant visitors

there are laws in place for a reason

Puzzledandpissedoff · 22/05/2022 13:54

Why on earth would a tenant not be allowed to work from home?

They can - after all countless people WFH now - but there's a difference between this and actually running a business if it's the type which involves permits, inconvenience for the neighbours and so on

coffeecupsandfairylights · 22/05/2022 14:06

user1471504747 · 22/05/2022 12:24

Why on earth would a tenant not be allowed to work from home? Your post is even more batshit than the neighbour Grin

Working from home is not the same as operating a business from home, though.

Nobody is going to have an issue with someone sitting at a desk and working remotely from the spare room, but you do need planning permission to operate a business that involves customers coming to your house on a regular basis.

For example - you can't operate a dog-grooming salon, a doggy daycare, a hairdressing salon etc. out of your living room unless you have the appropriate permission and insurance in place.

But I'm a dog walker and I run my business from home - as in, that's where I do all my paperwork, store the stock for the treat side of my business, make up parcels etc. - but nobody comes to my house and my "office" is just the dining room table and a few boxes in the spare room.

RhythmStick · 22/05/2022 14:25

I work from home, running my small business. Because I am proving a service, with patients coming to me (physical therapy), I needed permission from:

  1. My mortgage provider
  2. My home insurance
  3. My local council - who performed a site visit, and had my intentions on their local portal (incase neighbours wanted to oppose). They looked at potential disturbances and hindrances I may cause to my neighbours, as well as the internal inspection. I passed this, and have to pay for a yearly licence, which comes with requirements I must meet. If I fail to meet them, my licence can be removed
  4. No changes to my liability insurance, but had to let them know
  5. I work inside the house, and was also assessed for business rates. I don't meet it, as it's a single room, but if I move my practice to a room in my garden, then I will - and will need an upgraded licence and inspection

Councils differ, but people shouldn't assume you can do what you like at home and sod the neighbours.

sassyclassyandsmartassy · 22/05/2022 19:17

Letting agent wading in….

Firstly, a standard assured short hold tenancy agreement should include a clause standing the tenant cannot run a business from the house.

If your tenant wanted to run a business from home they should have sought consent from you so that you can check the position with the mortgage provider and insurer. Also bear in mind that depending on the percentage usage of the property for the business this can affect rates.

Working from the home and running a business from home are two different things in the eyes of the council and HMRC.

As for the neighbour. I have plenty of neighbours that hate that the house next door is rented. It’s a snobbery thing and it grinds my gears! My grandfather owns a property in a cul de sac if busybodies who are totally the same about the tenants in his.

You need to handle this exactly as we do when it comes to this type of thing. Ask the neighbour to go and speak to the tenant directly. This is not your place to get involved (other than assuring yourself of the above matters). What would they do if the people were the homeowners and not tenants? People who cannot go and talk to their neighbour directly are the ones with the issue and are simply looking to cause trouble for people because they perceive that they can as they don’t ‘own’ the home they live in, it’s preposterous.

I literally had a neighbour the other day complain a bunch was still on the path outside the tenants house. Like, seriously, knock on their door if it’s really causing you such upset (it’s not a way that person would have walked and would not have affected them in any way the bin being left out). They then went on to say the people must live like pigs (they don’t, they are clean, tidy and lovely). I used to live in the house next door and I literally said to my husband ‘who knew we used to live amongst such obnoxious people’

Pr1mr0se · 11/01/2023 13:19

I'd be inclined to go round and take photos of both drives, all cars including the neighbours and the crazy cage thing they've put out. That way you have some evidence if this all escalates when they inevitably find a ding on their car.

TinyTear · 11/01/2023 13:32

Pr1mr0se · 11/01/2023 13:19

I'd be inclined to go round and take photos of both drives, all cars including the neighbours and the crazy cage thing they've put out. That way you have some evidence if this all escalates when they inevitably find a ding on their car.

I'd hope since last May this would have been sorted...

Sugarplumfairy65 · 11/01/2023 14:05

Jessbow · 20/05/2022 12:19

Suggest the tenant reports them for running a business from their address. They need permission and insurances

What permission and insurances? From whom?

We run a business from Home, we dont have any special permission or insurances- maybe the tennant should have mentioned it to your but thats all.

100's of people run businesses from home, and you dont even know.

What is the nature of the tennants business? Find out befor she jumps in feet first

You do need to inform your insurance company if you are running a business from home. Some will cover you, some won't, especially if you have customers coming to the house.

TinyTear · 11/01/2023 14:07

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