To think there should be more controls on dogs and more banned breeds

[Merryclaire]

Just seen on the news that another young child has been killed by dogs - that must be at least 4 this year in the UK - there have been a number more that have thankfully not been fatal. Always seems to be (most often) a US bully or sometimes a husky. Why are there not more dog breeds being banned (especially the bully)? And why is there not more noise about dog ownership rules in general being tightened up?
For the record I have always liked dogs but these regular child attacks scare me.

No I don’t have him in view at all times because I’m blind and he’s a guide dog.

He does however have a bell on his collar so I know where he is at all times.

I also only have to whistle him and he comes straight back.

Interesting though that you would presumably disallow my guide dog to ever be off lead when there are people out there who seem to think that guide dogs are slaves to their owners and never allowed to play or be dogs.

The law is that anyone can request a dog owner to leash their dog on request, in any public space. The dog owner must comply by law
Maybe you need to brush up laws and dogs in public places,

Please show me where on the gov site it is stated.

Like I say, I would never happen. But still I'd like to read it

Would you leash your dog, anywhere, on request?

I think dogs need to be able to go off lead to get a good run in, but they shouldn’t be able to go off lead anywhere and everywhere. Perhaps this should only be allowed in designated fields, woodlands and dog parks - with clear signs of whether that is or isn’t allowed. For example, National Trust tends to insist on dogs being on leads on its estates. That way non dog owners know whether they will feel happy to go there or not.
Either that or dogs need to pass an obedience and temperament test before being allowed not go off lead - but the issue is that’s more difficult to enforce.

Actually, that's not technically correct.

The law states that must:

• put your dog on a lead if told to by a police officer, police community support officer or someone from the council

And that's only in certain areas where PSPO's apply.

www.gov.uk/control-dog-public/public-spaces-protection-orders

For what reason though?

Just some random person storming over to the middle of the field I am in? No I wouldn't.

A copper because they have heard a dangerous dog has escaped and is on the lose, yeah.

I just don't see the reason I would need to in the situations I let my dog off lead in

Or anyone who belives a dog is out of control.
To a lot of people, any dog off leash is potentially out of control and so potentially dangerous. This is what I'm getting at. We don't know your dog from any other dog. You might think its safe unleashed but others don't

Where does it say that anywhere?

Because some people are scared of dogs, with good reason i might add, some are allergic to them. Some people have small children with them.
Does this matter to you?

It is a criminal offence to have a dog out of control. In law if someone percieves a dog is out of control, then that is enough for the dog owner to be breaking the law

Many people are of the mind that all dogs off leash in public spaces are out of control. I wouldn't disgree

But.... My dog is not out of control?

You and whoever else says off lead dogs are out of control are wrong to say that on every case

Why would they come over to me if they were scared of dogs? Bit stupid of them.

Being off-lead is the not the same as being out of control, and thankfully the law acknowledges that.

If a dog is off-lead and approaches you or pesters you, then you can ask the owner to put their dog on a lead, but nowhere on the government website does it say the owner has to comply - could you link to where you've found that please?

What the government website DOES say is that if you're in an area where PSPO's apply, and the person asking is a police officer, a police support officer or a member of the council, then you do have to put your dog back on lead or risk a fine.

www.gov.uk/control-dog-public/print

Any dog off lead to many people is a dog out of control. If someone percives a dog to be put of control, then it is, and if they ask the owner to leash the dog and the owner refuses then that dog, in the eyes of the person asking, is still out of control.
This is the law.

Grasping at your straws now aren't you 🤣

These dog threads always turn into a row between dog haters and people with dogs.

OP is BVU - we don't need more bans but we could perhaps do with more enforcement of existing laws - which will be hard given how little this government wants to spend on public services.

Again, could you link to where it says that, please?

A dog who is off lead may be considered out of control, but that doesn't mean the owner has to listen to a random member of the public and leash their dog on their say-so.

The government website is quite clear - you only have to leash your dog in certain areas and when asked to by a police officer or council worker.

Nowhere on the government site does it say you have to leash your dog just because a random stranger asks you to!

It might be advisable to do so, but that doesn't mean it's the law 🙄

This is the law.
As you have been told repeatedly, it isn't

How is a fatal dog attack not an accident? Are you actually implying certain dog owners would encourage their dog to attack people?

Whether the dog (wrongfully) has been trained to fight other dogs - they are not trained to attack humans, with the exception of police dogs in which is done for public safety.

We cannot seem to manage to 'train' humans not to attack other humans, but we dont but a ban on people reproducing do we.

It's like talking to a wall. They won't have it. They want all dogs to just, poor, vanish.

Every thread that mentions dogs and they're there spouting incorrect nonsense

How is a fatal dog attack not an accident? Are you actually implying certain dog owners would encourage their dog to attack people?

Yes. Sadly, there are people out there who do just that. Plenty of dogs out there are trained to attack on command.

I want dog attacks to stop. I want dog owners to obey the law. Why you find this funny, particularly when yet another child was horrifically killed yesterday, I'm not sure.

I do obey the law. It's not my dog that killed a child.

I want people to be responsible too. But my dog being made to be on a lead is going to do zero to help

Everyone's dog is the best boi in the whole world, until it isn't