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Am I being unreasonable to think the teacher might be cheating in SATs

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mummybean84 · 12/05/2022 11:02

Our DS is currently sitting his SATs. He came home the first day and said the teacher when reading out the spelling list was pronouncing the silent letters, as an example saying something like “spell Thumb…. Th um b” and with words with double letters “spell Letter Let ter” (These are just examples not the actual words). And was confusing them by saying the words funny to hint at the spelling. Then in the English exam was walking around saying “theres something missing at the end of that sentence and you won’t get a point” when there was no full stop. He also told a pupil they had a maths answer wrong yesterday looking over their shoulder so they went back and checked the sum. Is this just normal is SATs? Or would you count it as cheating?

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Littepinkyogapants · 16/05/2022 08:52

Teacher here .
Do adults seriously believe teachers don’t hint at and even damn well tell children the answers .

Why do you really think children are split into little groups and the paper is read ( answers fold to kids !!!)

My head and deputy used to change answers .

SATS are a complete farce .
Designed to rank schools. Schools are under such pressure. I honestly can’t believe people think SATS aren’t manipulated.

Littepinkyogapants · 16/05/2022 08:56

Same with data.
To get a pay rise you have to hit targets . So teachers hit them.

Example :
35% of class need to be at greater depth
50 % must be at expected

So teachers ensure that happens .

When I was innocent and naive - I went to my pupils progress meeting with my data. The head told me that ‘Emily ‘ was at expected ( even though Emily couldn’t use full stops !) The head didn’t care about Emily - the head cared about getting 76% of children to expected and above !!!!!

WAKE UP! It’s all a farce .

Luculentus · 16/05/2022 09:04

My children's school invited governors to sit in on SATs. So it would have been impossible to cheat anyway.

IncyWincyGrownUp · 16/05/2022 09:22

I was a reader for SATs for several years. It was painful watching the children make really basic mistakes that they’d never make in a normal lesson, but rules are rules. You can read the question, but you cannot help - and tone and inflection are included as helping.

SpaceJamtart · 16/05/2022 09:23

This happened when I sat my SATs, I remember being confused why our teacher was suddenly pronouncing words like scissors 'sskkissors' and doing the 'B E A Utiful' pronunciation from Bruce Almighty.

ginghamstarfish · 16/05/2022 09:31

Shameful cheating. Might as well just let the kids stay home and the teacher fill in the results for everyone, makes the teacher look fantastic. I taught high school for years and would never have dreamed of doing this, although I was aware some teachers did 'help' improve their class results, because it made it look as if they were a better and more successful teacher. No, it's just cheating.

110APiccadilly · 16/05/2022 09:43

Those who are saying it doesn't matter - I was a child with a tendency to over-dramatise things in my head and if this had happened when I was 11 I'd probably have built it up in my head into some massive thing where all my results would be declared invalid and I'd have a black mark against my name for the rest of my life!

It's not right and that will worry at least some of the children (some of course won't realise or won't worry). That alone IMO is reason to report it.

Words · 16/05/2022 09:50

I find this horrifying. Of course it's cheating.
Also ludicrous to refer to schoolchildren as 'students'.
The terminology, as well as the grades, seems to be over inflated.

EveSix · 16/05/2022 11:09

SATs aren't fit for purpose.
The pressures on head teachers and therefore teachers, to pull ever-improving SATs results out of the bag, have always been immense, even now, despite coming straight out of a pandemic. I've sat in so many meetings with local authority advisers and school improvement officers (all schools, irrespective of grading, have them) where head teachers have been baldly told to 'sort it', if realistically predicted expected combined results are not looking as good as LA adviser or SIO would like. There is always implied pressure to build on previous success, and not to 'coast', 'be caught napping' or 'rest on one's laurels'. It's so silly, as this becomes completely arbitrary. If heads stand their ground and hold firm that a particular cohort will not perform as well as advisers would like, what is on the table is further pressure on leadership, staff and pupils through increased scrutiny masquerading as support, not actual funding or bodies on the ground.

My current school has always barely scraped through, yet most of our pupils start Reception with little or no English, a huge % of Pupil Premium, chaotic lives, high numbers of pupil absence and EW referrals, a higher than average instance of SEN, higher than average involvement of outside agencies in families' lives, many looked after children and pupils from refugee families. We are SO proud of our pupils' achievements. Our teachers bust a gut every day for both our pupils and their families, and the children's progress over time is incredible. But the SATs don't reflect this. Since Christmas, Y6 teachers in our cluster of similar schools have been offering out of hours Zoom tuition and SATs revision on evenings and weekends for groups and individual pupils, after school SATs revision clubs 5 days per week, half term and holiday SATs revision clubs, you name it. A huge amount of pressure and additional workload for no remuneration. It's just expected.

Meanwhile, at my DCs' leafy suburban primary, the pressures are different but equally intense. As there are no apparent barriers to continuously improved results, the stakes are incredibly high and the HT and staff are compelled to evidence ever increasing examples of GD.

Nobody wins, but please don't think that cheating in SATs arises as a result of preening head teachers trying to 'look good'. These are bullied, harassed professional leaders who feel at the end of their tethers and are desperate to shield their hardworking staff and pupils from the stress and unmanageable workload that accompanies a demoralising local authority intervention.

LouisCatorze · 16/05/2022 16:37

DD's primary school had most of the year group (two form entry) in school at 8am doing extra lessons for about half a term before the actual KS2 SATs exams. They were a rather naughty and not overly bright year cohort, it was fair to say, so I suspect the school was keen to do everything they could for as many pupils to pass as possible. But it felt very much more like child abuse punishment rather than the extra learning support that they presented it as.

In the end I pulled DD out of the extra classes because she was getting so tired and fractious for having that extra 45 minutes (we had a long walk to school) tacked onto the beginning of her school days (and she's not a morning person at the best of times). It definitely didn't seem in her best interests but rather those of the pushy new HT and her deputy, clearly keen to start as they meant to go on.

And no, I'm not anti-education but just thought the whole thing was farcical. She passed her SATs too, as we always had every confidence that she would.

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