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Newmum1998 · 09/05/2022 14:32

I agree, she’s vulnerable and not an idiot. Comments like this one help no one.

PonyPatter44 · 09/05/2022 14:33

Why haven't they met? Does he live in this country or abroad? When you say they are sharing finances, is that mutual or is it just her giving her online banking details to him?

Doesn't make any sense that he "forgot" that its Motorhead's logo. If you like the band, you like the band, you don't just forget, do you? The whole thing seems really odd and I would be tempted to keep digging and see what else I could find out.

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TulaOfDarkWater · 09/05/2022 14:35

Well money has gone back and forth to be fair and definitely more in her direction which is why she doesn’t think there’s anything nefarious going on. I’m worried it’s all part of a bigger plan to financially groom her so she will completely trust him and not see what’s coming in the future (she has some inheritance coming soon) but it’s hard to convince someone to be cautious when they’re the one currently financially benefiting if you see what I mean.

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PrettyMaybug · 09/05/2022 14:36

You literally just needed to do a 'reverse image search.' As pps have said, it represents the metal band 'Motorhead.'

Eelicks · 09/05/2022 14:37

Shes not a "couple" with this person, he's a complete stranger! She's never met him. Sharing finances... I mean, it's nuts... Your friend sounds incredibly vulnerable OP. I'm not sure If there's anything you can do though if she's an independent adult.

PrettyMaybug · 09/05/2022 14:38

TulaOfDarkWater · 09/05/2022 14:35

Well money has gone back and forth to be fair and definitely more in her direction which is why she doesn’t think there’s anything nefarious going on. I’m worried it’s all part of a bigger plan to financially groom her so she will completely trust him and not see what’s coming in the future (she has some inheritance coming soon) but it’s hard to convince someone to be cautious when they’re the one currently financially benefiting if you see what I mean.

What do you mean 'money has gone back and forth?' How? Why???

BringBackCoffeeCreams · 09/05/2022 14:44

He 'forgot' what the shirt symbol was as he's a con artist and has no idea where the bloke in the picture got it from, as it's not him. Your friend's inheritance is going to disappear in a puff of smoke as soon as she gets it.

LizzieMacQueen · 09/05/2022 15:00

@TulaOfDarkWater - you said,

They’re due to meet soon and I’m really worried for her. My friend is somewhat vulnerable and some of the things she’s said about him / their relationship has already raised alarms bells for me.

Can you suggest you tag along for the first meet up?

But it does reek of the long con.

Indicatrice · 09/05/2022 15:07

He’s also expressed what I consider hate views but always in a subtle / concealed way, it’s never overt which means he can then backtrack saying it was a joke, he’s been completely misunderstood or he didn’t mean any harm.

It's the same with the imagery. He gets to associate with quasi-Nazi/ far right imagery but can always backtrack saying it's just a band.

CulturePigeon · 09/05/2022 15:27

I'm sure pps are right about Motorhead (I don't know anything about them myself, so can't advise) but clearly the design is referencing Nazi Germany firstly with the stylised eagle and secondly with the Gothic script - which is reminiscent of the Nazi period.

At first glance it's not a good look - but people more up-to-speed than me might not make these associations. But I would be concerned and (for eg) I wouldn't want to be seen with someone wearing/displaying this.

I'm not someone who likes to be 'more offended than the next person', but this makes me uneasy, to put it mildly.

timestheyarechanging · 09/05/2022 15:32

Why are they a couple if they've never met?
Yes it's Motörhead.

EvenMoreFuriousVexation · 09/05/2022 15:36

BringBackCoffeeCreams · 09/05/2022 14:44

He 'forgot' what the shirt symbol was as he's a con artist and has no idea where the bloke in the picture got it from, as it's not him. Your friend's inheritance is going to disappear in a puff of smoke as soon as she gets it.

Yes exactly this, he's using fake photos.

Can you do a reverse google image search on his whole profile photo?

I really don't know what to suggest as it sounds like your friend doesn't have a support worker or anything? And if you go all out trying to say he's a scammer, you may push her away from confiding in you.

Do you think she has any doubts about him, or does she seem blissfully happy and believe everything without question?

Bimster · 09/05/2022 15:41

He 'forgot' what the shirt symbol was as he's a con artist and has no idea where the bloke in the picture got it from, as it's not him. Your friend's inheritance is going to disappear in a puff of smoke as soon as she gets it.

Yep, this sounds very likely. I also imagine that money is going back and forth to build her trust before he finally nicks the lot.

WhereYouLeftIt · 09/05/2022 15:42

"She met this guy online 6 months ago and they’re already in a proper relationship despite never meeting which to me is a red flag in itself and because they’re now a “couple”, they’re sharing finances, online banking details, looking at homes etc. He’s also been love bombing her / future faking in my opinion.'

She's a fucking idiot. Sorry to not be more helpful, still picking my jaw up off the floor.

Sapphirensteel · 09/05/2022 15:48

TulaOfDarkWater · 09/05/2022 14:05

I think if you have concerns about her though you need to specify them and you might get some good advice.

My friend is kindest, sweetest person you could ever meet but she seems to attract abusive arseholes and goes from one abusive relationship to the next, it’s almost like she can’t see or ignores the warning signs as she’s longing for the fairytale, happily ever after ending.

She met this guy online 6 months ago and they’re already in a proper relationship despite never meeting which to me is a red flag in itself and because they’re now a “couple”, they’re sharing finances, online banking details, looking at homes etc. He’s also been love bombing her / future faking in my opinion.

He’s also expressed what I consider hate views but always in a subtle / concealed way, it’s never overt which means he can then backtrack saying it was a joke, he’s been completely misunderstood or he didn’t mean any harm.

I don’t know what to do to be honest, at the very least I want her to be cautious and alert but she’s infatuated and well and truly has her blinkers on.

Good Lord, I don’t think she could have any more red flags flying. Who on earth shares bank details and finances with someone you’ve not met??????
He could be anyone from anywhere in the world.

IbizaToTheNorfolkBroads · 09/05/2022 15:50

I think the Motörhead T is the least of your friend’s worries. She’s looking for a home and sharing bank details with someone she’s never even met? How gullible can she be?

PonyPatter44 · 09/05/2022 15:51

Has she explained why she's never actually met this man?

DelicateLittleBlossom · 09/05/2022 15:54

This is a weird thread

Eightiesfan · 09/05/2022 16:20

It probably raised alarm bells as the lead singer had a weird fascination with Nazi memorabilia, and had a huge collection.

10HailMarys · 09/05/2022 16:24

You've really buried the lede with this one, OP - the t-shirt is a Motorhead t-shirt, but frankly that's neither here nor there. It doesn't mean he's a racist, but it also doesn't mean he's not a racist.

You say later on that he expresses views you think are hateful, so if I were you I'd focus on the fact that he is openly being hateful, not about potential hidden meaning in his t-shirt.

Let's face it, even if he's not a Nazi, there's something very fishy going on, isn't there? He can't remember where his own profile picture came from, they're calling themselves a couple when they haven't managed to meet despite having had six months to meet up, and there is money 'going back and forth'??

I doubt this man is who he says he is. He's married, or he's a scammer, or he's a catfishing weirdo. None of this shit is normal and your friend is being super naive.

Has she ever FaceTimed/Skyped/Zoom called with him?

Zilla1 · 09/05/2022 16:39

Seem to recall Lemmy said he just though the German's had better uniforms in WW2. If the Motorhead ethos is off-putting, I think he was also a singer for the more trippy? Hawkwind before they sacked him, arguably unfairly.

Zilla1 · 09/05/2022 16:40

Perhaps your friend's DP shouldn't take parenting advice from Lemmy though.

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TulaOfDarkWater · 09/05/2022 17:07

He’s currently working abroad and they plan to meet / be together when he’s back in England. The finance thing started because he was having trouble accessing his online banking from abroad so he gave her his details to access his accounts and manage his bills etc. Anyway he doesn’t get regular pay (contract work) so there were a few times he was short for his mortgage payment / direct debits so she subbed him and then when his money went in she transferred what she was owed back to herself. She’s recently had cash flow problems herself so he told her to transfer money from his account to tide her over as they’re a couple so everything is joint. She was so chuffed he trusted her with his banking info / finances that she shared hers to reciprocate but as far as I know he hasn’t actually accessed hers directly and it’s her moving money back and forth between them. Currently she’s 1k up in this charade so trying to convince her it’s a possible scam is impossible.

It’s definitely him in the pictures because I’ve seen him on video calls and the name from his online banking matches his social media and the electoral register for his house (I got her to look that up) which is why I agree it’s off that he doesn’t remember the shirt is Motörhead.

Unfortunately my friend isn’t interested in contacting Women’s Aid or the Freedom Programme as she thinks she can identify abuse but the reality is she can’t. She grew up in an abusive, controlling environment where financial abuse, emotional abuse and coercion were “normal” and that’s definitely skewed her perception; she often thinks I’m the one with the problem and I’m overreacting.

Anyway thank you for all your responses, I got the answer I was looking for regarding the symbol so it’s probably best to leave this thread here. I really appreciate all of you taking time to offer advice (believe me I’m thinking exactly what you all are) and I’ll do my best to be there for my friend.

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ShirleyPhallus · 09/05/2022 17:37

TulaOfDarkWater · 09/05/2022 17:07

He’s currently working abroad and they plan to meet / be together when he’s back in England. The finance thing started because he was having trouble accessing his online banking from abroad so he gave her his details to access his accounts and manage his bills etc. Anyway he doesn’t get regular pay (contract work) so there were a few times he was short for his mortgage payment / direct debits so she subbed him and then when his money went in she transferred what she was owed back to herself. She’s recently had cash flow problems herself so he told her to transfer money from his account to tide her over as they’re a couple so everything is joint. She was so chuffed he trusted her with his banking info / finances that she shared hers to reciprocate but as far as I know he hasn’t actually accessed hers directly and it’s her moving money back and forth between them. Currently she’s 1k up in this charade so trying to convince her it’s a possible scam is impossible.

It’s definitely him in the pictures because I’ve seen him on video calls and the name from his online banking matches his social media and the electoral register for his house (I got her to look that up) which is why I agree it’s off that he doesn’t remember the shirt is Motörhead.

Unfortunately my friend isn’t interested in contacting Women’s Aid or the Freedom Programme as she thinks she can identify abuse but the reality is she can’t. She grew up in an abusive, controlling environment where financial abuse, emotional abuse and coercion were “normal” and that’s definitely skewed her perception; she often thinks I’m the one with the problem and I’m overreacting.

Anyway thank you for all your responses, I got the answer I was looking for regarding the symbol so it’s probably best to leave this thread here. I really appreciate all of you taking time to offer advice (believe me I’m thinking exactly what you all are) and I’ll do my best to be there for my friend.

She should watch the Tinder Swindler, this is basically exactly how the women there started being duped out of money

PonyPatter44 · 09/05/2022 17:41

Your poor friend is going to be absolutely BILKED. I hope she wasn't relying on that inheritance.

Online gambling games let you win a bit at first, so you keep playing...and then you start losing. This conman is doing exactly the same thing with your friend. Why on earth would she think its OK that she is "£1k up"? I live with my partner, and I'd feel bad if I'd profited off him by £100, never mind £1000!