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to ask Christians about dinosaurs...

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EastYorksLass · 29/04/2022 17:46

This is a serious question - so I have been thinking a lot lately about whether God exists, the meaning of life and why is the world in such a terrible state... been thinking about going to church but still feel I am on the fence. One question which has really got me thinking (after watching dear old David Attenborough... ) is where do dinosaurs fit into all this. Sorry if this sounds very weird but I would love to hear an explanation!

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LauraNicolaides · 29/04/2022 18:38

Madhairday · 29/04/2022 18:23

This might help a little with that question from the POV of evolutionary creationism.
biologos.org/common-questions/how-could-humans-have-evolved-and-still-be-in-the-image-of-god

Many thanks for the link. From what I can see then, the answer to my my question:

Do Christians believe that at some point in evolutionary history a mother without a soul have birth to a child with a soul and that souls have been passed on down ever since?

... is "yes"

GoldenOmber · 29/04/2022 18:38

It sort of depends on what you’re asking, OP. Do you want to know why there aren’t dinosaurs in the Bible? or why God created dinosaurs? or how dinosaurs fit into the creation story? Or which is the best dinosaur? (it is Spinosaurus)

shabbaboot · 29/04/2022 18:38

3ormorecharacters · 29/04/2022 18:22

Creationism is not the same as the story of Creation. There are different ways of interpreting it and creationism is one. Have you actually read it? It's not exactly The Origin of Species but as I say, for something written thousands of years ago the broad brush strokes align quite well with our current understanding.

Creationism is not the same as the story of Creation. There are different ways of interpreting it and creationism is one. Have you actually read it? It's not exactly The Origin of Species but as I say, for something written thousands of years ago the broad brush strokes align quite well with our current understanding.

I'm going to have to jump in this discussion, it does very much sound like you are trying to make an old story, fit your narrative a bit like with anthropomorphism of animals by people who do not understand animal behaviour.

What you are essentially saying is that your are interpretation of old scriptures that no one can fully agree on, can be phased or presented in such a way that they align quite well with that of evolution. That my friend is a called manipulation.

Ihatethenewlook · 29/04/2022 18:39

So basically Christian’s believe everything in the bible unless it can be physically disproved by science. But everything else is definitely true 😂

MissConductUS · 29/04/2022 18:40

I know the Catholic church was anti science and the science that the earth goes round the sun but don't know where it stands 5 centuries later.

The RCC has accepted evolution as fact.

The Pope Would Like You to Accept Evolution and the Big Bang

GoldenOmber · 29/04/2022 18:42

Ihatethenewlook · 29/04/2022 18:39

So basically Christian’s believe everything in the bible unless it can be physically disproved by science. But everything else is definitely true 😂

That isn’t really how religion works. Things aren’t only divided up into “journalism” and “fiction.”

Kennykenkencat · 29/04/2022 18:42

Pinkandpurplehairedlady · 29/04/2022 18:07

I’m a Christian and believe in evolution and dinosaurs. I don’t believe the earth was literally created in 7 days.

I think it works if we suspend belief in the 24 hour day. After all how long is a day given the Sun and Moon weren’t created till the 4th day and where did the light come from on the first day.

Of course God could have created the dinosaurs when he was creating the birds, sea and land animals and humans (in his image)
What we don’t know is what Gods image looked like as he could have done all that only for it all to be wiped out when an asteroid hit Earth and what we have now in terms of sea and land animals and us is what came after. Who is to say what God actually looks like.

Lazyinred · 29/04/2022 18:43

I'm Christian and don't doubt evolution at all. I've never believed alot of the old testament but that's just my personal choice as evolution is proven fact, I'm more a new testament kind of gal. Please don't assume all people of faith deny evolution.

Gowithme · 29/04/2022 18:44

Dinosaurs aren't in the Bible because when the Bible was written people weren't aware that dinosaurs had existed. It's that simple surely?

I always wonder though how Christians know which bits of the Bible to take literally and which bits they shouldn't - it seems to be which ever bits are convenient most of the time!

shabbaboot · 29/04/2022 18:46

I have a question for all the people who go to church and this really pissed me off when my frail old grandmother was alive. If god could create the universe why can he not fix roof on his own bloody house`s?

My gran was always being asked to give all her spare cash to fix the church roof.

CoalCraft · 29/04/2022 18:47

My highly devout mother believes that God started life on earth with single cells them let evolution take its course, only "guiding" it now and then so humans would eventually arrive. So for example she believes dinosaurs were real and lived millions of years ago but then God "nudged" the asteroid that killed them towards earth so they'd be wiped out and there'd be space for mammals to take over and eventually give rise to people.

She believes most settled scientific facts but puts her own godly spin on them, if you see what I mean.

girlmom21 · 29/04/2022 18:48

shabbaboot · 29/04/2022 18:46

I have a question for all the people who go to church and this really pissed me off when my frail old grandmother was alive. If god could create the universe why can he not fix roof on his own bloody house`s?

My gran was always being asked to give all her spare cash to fix the church roof.

That's not a sensible question, is it.

'God' didn't build churches.

DemBonesDemBones · 29/04/2022 18:49

I'm a Christian. I didn't know I was supposed to deny dinos Grin Seriously, the nut jobs really do give us a bad rep!

Lilyhatesjaz · 29/04/2022 18:50

I had a friend at university who believed dinosaurs were a made up story, but she was Plymouth Bretheren not mainstream Christian

Pumperthepumper · 29/04/2022 18:51

Kennykenkencat · 29/04/2022 18:42

I think it works if we suspend belief in the 24 hour day. After all how long is a day given the Sun and Moon weren’t created till the 4th day and where did the light come from on the first day.

Of course God could have created the dinosaurs when he was creating the birds, sea and land animals and humans (in his image)
What we don’t know is what Gods image looked like as he could have done all that only for it all to be wiped out when an asteroid hit Earth and what we have now in terms of sea and land animals and us is what came after. Who is to say what God actually looks like.

But do you believe that god is literally a man? Or that he’s a sort of life force of the world?

UlcerativePoliteness · 29/04/2022 18:51

Not rtft yet, but there was an amazing thread (or 2?) a few years ago about this very subject. A born again Christian from America found the thread and spent a huge amount of time educating us! It was epic.

iirc he suggested that dinosaurs and humans coexisted, and dinosaurs were referred to in the bible as behemoths.

I’m going to see if I can find it…

shabbaboot · 29/04/2022 18:53

@girlmom21 Well I did not build my house either but I still fix my own roof and I'm sure some one with omni powerful powers can fix a bit of leading in no time.

StoneofDestiny · 29/04/2022 18:55

Hardly any more nutty than thinking virgins can give birth or that three -day dead corpses can be resurrected. Once you step beyond the constraints of reality you might as well go all in

I have a bigger problem that in the 21st Century and where education has been compulsory for decades and where people have widespread access to the WWW - people still believe in 'royal blood' being superior, in caste and class systems defining your place in the world, in clothing and social restrictions being defined by a man thousands of years ago, but mainly applying to women, in 'flat earth' believers - and that people in NI entrusted the future of their country to a politician who believes this, and that people flock to listen to people who claim to be able to tell the future of others (but can't seem to tell their own) etc etc

LauraNicolaides · 29/04/2022 18:55

Dinosaurs aren't in the Bible because when the Bible was written people weren't aware that dinosaurs had existed. It's that simple surely?

But God knew.

girlmom21 · 29/04/2022 18:56

shabbaboot · 29/04/2022 18:53

@girlmom21 Well I did not build my house either but I still fix my own roof and I'm sure some one with omni powerful powers can fix a bit of leading in no time.

Do you fix your own roof or pay a roofer?

Spoiler alert: God didn't sign for any financial responsibility related to anybodys roof

Eatingsoupwithafork · 29/04/2022 18:57

This thread is a bit odd. You can be a Christian AND believe in evolution. 🙄 I say that as a Catholic who studied an Earth Science at Uni.

3ormorecharacters · 29/04/2022 18:58

shabbaboot · 29/04/2022 18:38

Creationism is not the same as the story of Creation. There are different ways of interpreting it and creationism is one. Have you actually read it? It's not exactly The Origin of Species but as I say, for something written thousands of years ago the broad brush strokes align quite well with our current understanding.

I'm going to have to jump in this discussion, it does very much sound like you are trying to make an old story, fit your narrative a bit like with anthropomorphism of animals by people who do not understand animal behaviour.

What you are essentially saying is that your are interpretation of old scriptures that no one can fully agree on, can be phased or presented in such a way that they align quite well with that of evolution. That my friend is a called manipulation.

Sorry I don't quite understand your issue. It's an interpretation - just one of many, but one I think has some validity and is an important part of this discussion. People often get distracted by the whole 'seven days' thing but step back a bit and look at the bigger picture and it's not necessarily such a stretch to believe in God on the one hand and dinosaurs / evolution / the Big Bang on the other. As I say though, just one interpretation. I don't see how that's more manipulative than any other interpretation?

woodhill · 29/04/2022 18:58

Job 40 - Behemoth is mentioned

Hallyup89 · 29/04/2022 18:58

Plenty of Christians accept the Theory of Evolution. The ones that don't are kidding themselves.

TooBigForMyBoots · 29/04/2022 18:58

MissConductUS · 29/04/2022 18:40

I know the Catholic church was anti science and the science that the earth goes round the sun but don't know where it stands 5 centuries later.

The RCC has accepted evolution as fact.

The Pope Would Like You to Accept Evolution and the Big Bang

Of course the Pope would want Catholics to believe in the Big Bang Theory. It was originated by a Catholic priest.🙂

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