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to ask Christians about dinosaurs...

557 replies

EastYorksLass · 29/04/2022 17:46

This is a serious question - so I have been thinking a lot lately about whether God exists, the meaning of life and why is the world in such a terrible state... been thinking about going to church but still feel I am on the fence. One question which has really got me thinking (after watching dear old David Attenborough... ) is where do dinosaurs fit into all this. Sorry if this sounds very weird but I would love to hear an explanation!

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Topgub · 30/04/2022 19:57

I honestly wasn't aware I had asked you.

I do not like the formatting of this website and cannot get to grips with the replies or how to tell who you are replying to.

Or who is replying to you.

Excpet for the big grey wall of text reply which I also don't like.

But if you're going to get so offended by an oversight, maybe its for the best not to reply.

Topgub · 30/04/2022 19:58

Yup, it just doesn't bear much relation to your summary.

Hawkins001 · 30/04/2022 20:00

This is just a question, but why have and do, humans give so much credibility and time and effort to various texts that have been written by humans regardless for which deity it's for ?

and why do some humans offer their souls at the mercy of these beings ?

overall main question why does human societies need religions ?I

lastly what happens to religions when human society realises (Assuming it's is) that the galaxies are full of various lifeforms ?

UpdateStoleMyProfile · 30/04/2022 20:11

Topgub · 30/04/2022 19:17

I cant remember what I asked now?

Why would god design the universe via the big bang and evolution so a wee human could evolve and worship them.

Something like that. How does ID relate to the bible without backwards shoehorning?

The theological answer is god isn't human and doesn't have to live by human rules (god moves in mysterious ways etc etc)

I dont need help with theology. I like discussing beliefs. Questioning them. Challenging them.

For the first question, my understanding (which I fully accept may be wrong), is simply God is Love. God Loves. And so he wants us to Love him.

why do it via Big Bang and evolution? Why not? Why not set the universe in motion with one almighty explosion - done might see that as one big breath - Ruach, the breath of God. maybe the pleasure he gets from a relationship with a human is all the richer and more valuable to him simply because it took so long to come to fruition?

I believe we are here in order to love God. And each other. That that is the primary purpose of each of us. And I believe if we can get that right then the world would be a fundamentally better place for everyone and everything.

how does ID relate to the bible without backwards shoehorning? I don’t entirely understand the question, sorry. The Bible is a collection of 66 books with multiple different authors. Some of the places and stories within it are corroborated by archaeology and contemporaneous accounts. Others aren’t. Some of it is allegory, and it is my belief that the creation story in genesis falls within that. And some of it is historical record - take a look at Numbers or Chronicles (if you are awake and can’t sleep. It’s incredibly tedious in places). A record of how many men were a part of each tribe of Israel. How many pounds of gold were brought to the temple. How many slaves were captured, etc. I’m not sure why anyone would record it all if it weren’t true.

I don’t think stating that some parts are allegory and some are history is shoehorning anything. Song of Songs is a long love poem; some say to God but personally I think it’s more like erotica. Psalms is a collection of poems and songs, some marking events others guides for worship. And then you have the books of prophecy. Prophets warning of dire things if Israel doesn’t turn back to God. Israel turning back, God relenting, Israel forgetting, turning away, Prophets warning, disaster striking, Israel repenting, God relenting.

kind of like how people warn about climate change now really. We all know it’s happening, the prophets keep telling us and we are mostly sticking fingers in ears and continuing to burn fossil fuels and create emissions, and gradually or rapidly destroying the balance of the earth. God gives us a plan for life, we ignore it at our peril.

and then the New Testament. 400 years or so after the last voice in the Old Testament, along comes a new prophet John, and starts warning people to get ready for his cousin Jesus. Do we get the gospels who tell us about the things Jesus did, then Acts tells us about what the early Christians did. A bunch of letters from Early church leaders to different churches and to all believers, and then another book of prophecy at the end.

is it ok to answer your question with “I don’t know?” I don’t have the answers. I’m not God. What I do know is that as science reveals ever more about the complexities of the universe I find myself more in awe of the one I believe created it to be this way. We sing about hands that flung stars into space, hung the moon and the sun and set the planets dancing. And that’s beautiful. But it’s incredibly simplistic. Now we know more about the universe. And the more we know the more we realise we don’t know. So that God of the gaps grows ever bigger for me. Lots of scientists at our church. Some of whom became Christians through their scientific research. and lots of scientists within my circle of friends. Some of whom are atheist due to their own research. We seem to coexist happily enough. Without Vimto.

Pumperthepumper · 30/04/2022 20:14

That’s such a lovely, thoughtful answer @UpdateStoleMyProfile - I really enjoyed reading it.

Topgub · 30/04/2022 20:17

Why not?

Because we evolved by chance?

If God is love, why didn't he love the neanderthals too?

is it ok to answer your question with “I don’t know?”

yes! Of course.

Without Vimto.

awwwww. Thats a shame 😏

gogohm · 30/04/2022 20:19

Well they lived 60m+ years ago. I've never met a Christian in the U.K. that believes in the literal truth of the bible including 3 bishops who are Facebook friends!

gogohm · 30/04/2022 20:21

God started the Big Bang... pretty easy to go for this interpretation

CathyorClaire · 30/04/2022 20:33

Does the bible say that humans are more important than other animals

Adam and Eve were given 'dominion' over the animal kingdom.

Probably hasn't worked out so great in ever such a lot of parts but there you go.

Christians (the clue is in the name) follow the New Testament - the teachings of Christ.

And yet the OT figured so very prominently in so many very dull sermons I endured.

the Old Testament is metaphor, too

All that genocide, rape, murder, incest and sacrifice is a metaphor?

For what?

TruthHertz · 30/04/2022 20:36

If they're already prepared to believe the bible I'm not sure asking about dinosaurs will be the ultimate catalyst for change. I'd rather ask them if it's acceptable to worship Zeus nowadays and if not then why not.

UpdateStoleMyProfile · 30/04/2022 20:44

Topgub · 30/04/2022 20:17

Why not?

Because we evolved by chance?

If God is love, why didn't he love the neanderthals too?

is it ok to answer your question with “I don’t know?”

yes! Of course.

Without Vimto.

awwwww. Thats a shame 😏

I’m sure he did love the Neanderthals too. And sabre tooth tigers and woolly mammoths and dinosaurs and those weird creatures living in the deep deep sea which seem to me to be the stuff of nightmares. I don’t think love is a purely Homo sapiens sapiens thing at all.

but I’ll stick to Ribena if that’s ok with you!

CathyorClaire · 30/04/2022 20:49

Why create neanderthals or homo erectus? Didnt he love those humans?

Why didn't he send Jesus to save them?

Apparently they would have the General Revelation to set them straight. They might of course have been too busy hunting mammoth and fighting off sabre tooth tigers to pay full attention to the glorious sunset but them's the breaks.

shabbaboot · 30/04/2022 20:53

God is Love. God Loves. And so he wants us to Love him.

This is where I switch off, Humans are part of an ecosystem. We just happened to develop our brains to take advantage of all other species, Nature when you look at it is a constant battle of life and death with suffering for all species to survive pass on their genes and absorb matter to function.

Within the animal kingdom there are predator species and prey species, K strategists and R strategists, a majority of which kills and eats another species for survival including various flora. Its a struggle for daily survival with never ending suffering and fear for many species. You only have to do an observational ethogram of a basic species such as a every day garden bird and you will find a majority of its energy is spent checking for prey species and in a state of alert. This is not a world of love I'm afraid its a daily battle for survival.

Topgub · 30/04/2022 20:55

UpdateStoleMyProfile · 30/04/2022 20:44

I’m sure he did love the Neanderthals too. And sabre tooth tigers and woolly mammoths and dinosaurs and those weird creatures living in the deep deep sea which seem to me to be the stuff of nightmares. I don’t think love is a purely Homo sapiens sapiens thing at all.

but I’ll stick to Ribena if that’s ok with you!

But not enough to want to tell them how to live?

TooBigForMyBoots · 30/04/2022 21:05

But not enough to want to tell them how to live?
How do you know what god told them?

GoldenOmber · 30/04/2022 21:07

TruthHertz · 30/04/2022 20:36

If they're already prepared to believe the bible I'm not sure asking about dinosaurs will be the ultimate catalyst for change. I'd rather ask them if it's acceptable to worship Zeus nowadays and if not then why not.

Guess you can worship Zeus if you want to? Is being criticised for this a problem you often encounter? Because if so you may have pissed off Hera, in which case you have bigger problems than Mumsnet can help with.

GoldenOmber · 30/04/2022 21:17

On the other hand maybe Hera would fit in well on Mumsnet. Goddess of fertility and motherhood, and just the right personality for AIBU.

Topgub · 30/04/2022 21:18

You'd think he'd have mentioned it?

Listen, moses, Abraham, Muhammed.

This is the 15th time I've done this and you humans keep going extinct! Stick to the rules this time doofus

TooBigForMyBoots · 30/04/2022 21:25

You'd think he'd have mentioned it?
Why do you think that?

Topgub · 30/04/2022 21:32

Seems like the kind of thing he'd mention?

LuaDipa · 30/04/2022 22:12

gogohm · 30/04/2022 20:19

Well they lived 60m+ years ago. I've never met a Christian in the U.K. that believes in the literal truth of the bible including 3 bishops who are Facebook friends!

This.

If Christians were really that misguided there wouldn’t be as many people dragging their kids to church every weekend in the hope of getting them into the local faith school.

BurnDownTheDiscoHangTheDJ · 30/04/2022 22:16

HirplesWithHaggis · 29/04/2022 17:47

My Born Again sister says dinosaur remains were planted by Satan to confuse us.

My Jehovah’s Witness uncle also says this but he is batshit and having had the displeasure of meeting some of his congregation, so are they.

CareBear50 · 30/04/2022 23:01

I find this guy v interesting.

He's a well renowned US Scientist who came from third generation of atheists.

He became a Christian. I found his interview really interesting

Sorry OP he doesn't mention dinosaurs!

707smile · 30/04/2022 23:06

I think 95% of UK Christians (and for example the whole Anglican church) believe in the Big Bang and evolution so dinosaurs really aren't a problem whether you're Atheist, Agnostic or Christian.

TooBigForMyBoots · 30/04/2022 23:38

Topgub · 30/04/2022 21:32

Seems like the kind of thing he'd mention?

Do you spend much time thinking about what a god, who you don't believe exists, said to long dead people about an extinct race?

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