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MIL killing me with kindness bc I'm pregnant... Help?

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SoaringSwallowBird · 29/04/2022 13:02

Hi all. I'm pregnant and currently feeling the urge to avoid contact with my SO's parents.

Here's a summary: since we announced the baby, my FIL is excessively friendly and my MIL has been trying to get close to me, physically and otherwise. She's called me affectionate childish names for the first time (cringe), she puts her hand on my waist when she approaches me to tell me something, and her babying of me has spiked ("did you have dinner?" "Sit on the couch, not on the chair (x15 times)"). The other day she asked me to go out for dinner with her sisters and in laws, I said I had plans, so she insisted that everyone walk me to the place where I was headed, but no one wanted to move yet, so she reluctantly let me go. Earlier she also opened the door to the bedroom where I was sleeping without knocking (knowing I was there), caught me getting dressed, just stood there while I told her to give me a few minutes and did not apologise, just said "sure, take your time". You get the picture. Do I need to scream "I need space!!!"?

I have the urge to withdraw from this kind of treatment because I feel it's manipulative. What my gut tells me that is going on is: you're finally fulfilling your purpose in this family, you're bringing my grandson into this world, so you're now part of the family and I should be close to you because I want closeness with your child as well. Why else have things suddenly changed after knowing her and my FIL for almost a decade? It's not that they were unkind before, but but they showed much less enthusiasm when we met.

And some context:

So my MIL is fundamentally a good person, but very, very stubborn/ narrow minded. There is one way to live life and it's the "acceptable way". This view is strongly shared by my FIL as well.

Turns out their kids grew up to have different hobbies than them, different religious beliefs, different priorities, different acceptance threshold. One of those kids is my SO and I am also different. I consider myself a very open and tolerant person.

I find that they don't know me very well, that my undocile personality makes them uncomfortable and that they show no interest in me as a person. Absolutely none. What they don't understand, they don't care about, they just change topics. I try to talk about things that we might have in common (e.g. gardening) and I never get her to actually engage in a interesting conversation. It's just a shallow exchange. They are not much better in that sense with their own kids, so I don't take that too personally.

She also has the role of family manager. She manages everyone and everything, all the time. Tells the husband to lower his voice or be quiet (if he's talking about something he's passionate about), cooks and serves the food, constantly checks in on everyone (do you want another piece? Try the stew. Are you hungry?). She even tells everyone where to sit at the table. The managing takes like 95% of her attention during a family meal. Everything revolves around it.

She literally babies her daughter, who's in her mid 30's—talks to her like she's 5 years old, pushes her to accept her choice of furniture, even bought her a house. If we sit on the couch after lunch to watch a film, she will start to gently scratch her daughter's back under her clothes. All of this, but particularly the scratching part makes me extremely uncomfortable. The daughter just takes on this passive role, barely talking, like she's a child again. We're all children being taken care of.

She does not baby us as much because my SO wouldn't allow it and I, well, I wouldn't allow this kind of behaviour in my own mother, who I am very close with btw. I try to be kind but with the years have grown real tired of the family dynamics. I like to be treated as an adult, not as a child that needs tending to. I would like to interact normally with my SIL and PIL but have decided that it's impossible. We can't have adult dynamics, the hierarchy is deeply rooted. I just sit through the meals until they are over and try to be polite.

Also, all their kids resent them very much for this "forever-parents" attitude. Some have learnt to live with it, but do not like it. It's a source of conflict between my SO and his parents because he feels treated like a child and missunderstood.

I would have loved to have a real connection with her/ them, as friends, just like I have with my own parents. However, it wasn't possible. I have always been treated kindly, but I don't feel seen or heard. Also, I am a private person and do not appreciate unwanted managing of my affairs. Luckily for me, I am not afraid to establish my boundaries.

So I am pregnant with my first baby and their first grandson. They were absolutely thrilled to find out. Perhaps too much? Some remarks were made during Christmas dinner by my MIL... She let us know that she wasn't a grandmother yet and she disapproved of that. I was internally furious. How dare anyone put that kind of pressure on anyone else? But I put my knife down and just smiled through the whole ordeal. For context, my own parents' attitude is: do whatever makes you happy and we'll be happier even. It's very hard for me to put up with demands and expectations that I have not endured at home.

I'm terrified that they are assuming that my baby is going to become their new passtime, or worse yet, that looking after him is going to be their new life purpose, or that he is going to bring meaning to their stale lives. I fear that we will be manipulated with kindness into allowing them to be useful, and that they will not treat us as capable adults who have the right to look after their baby, and it's making me withdraw from them. However, withdrawing is not sustainable as they'll have to spend time with their grandchild and I am the mother. Any advice?

Thank you for your time.

OP posts:
Mulhollandmagoo · 29/04/2022 13:52

YANBU, that sounds suffocating! They do sound like they will love your child very much though.

I used to despise people touching me when I was pregnant, its like you've completely lost control of your own body. I'd say maybe pull back a little during pregnancy, it can be a tough time for some women, maybe your husband can go to the meals alone a few times? Once the baby is here, naturally they will want to see him, but if you are comfortable putting in boundaries then you will be fine, particularly if your partner is supporting you.

And the back scratching is odd.....😐

Teaandtoastedbiscuits · 29/04/2022 14:24

She sounds very loving. Her way is no better or worse than your way ye just sound like very different people. I would definitely try to be more tolerant of her as she is sounds like she will be a wonderful support to you and a loving granny. My children have all their grand parents but we wish some of them would be a bit more hands on.

7Worfs · 29/04/2022 14:35

I’d kill for a polite, hands-on MIL that wants to feed me and make sure I am well rested now that I have young children.

PierresPotato · 29/04/2022 14:41

She brought her children up to be different from herself. That's a positive surely? It hardly betokens such a massively overbearing matriarch.
Families are different and it's not easy so you do have my sympathy. But I also think you may be a little harsh on her.

Aquamarine1029 · 29/04/2022 14:46

One word...

Boundaries.

You make them, you uphold them, and you don't give an inch. From this day forward, make sure she is keenly aware who the mother is, and it's not her. With some people, you just have to be very firm and direct. She is no doubt one of those people. She may be used to ruling the roost, but she can not rule yours unless you allow it.

MissM94 · 29/04/2022 14:50

OP I feel your pain. My stepMIL (long term relationship with DP's dad but not married) hated kids and straight up told me she isn't going to be grandma & that I better not be planning to have any anytime soon. And was a massive bitch to me on multiple occasions, like she just doesn't like me.. but
we in fact was planning on having them fairly soon, less than a year later we're pregnant and it's like she's waited her whole life for it. Can't do enough for me, she's so excited, always checking on me, won't let anyone swear or talk rude around me because her "grandchild is listening" she insists that she's called nanny, has bought us a ridiculous amount of clothes and nappies and wipes despite us telling her he's got enough and has taken them to storing them at her house and told me if I run out I can go and get some of her clothes at her house for him 😂 honestly I feel like she's going to steal my son off me, it's completely flipped to a little bit obsessive compared to what she was like!

MintJulia · 29/04/2022 14:52

That would drive me crazy, especially the touching. I'm sure she is very kind and well meaning but finding someone else inhabiting my life would be a struggle.

Best policy here is don't impart too much info in advance. Don't tell her exactly when it is due, don't tell her gender or birth plans or any issues.
You will need your partner onside for this but be vague. Take all the decisions in advance and present them as fact.
Fix days for granny visits but have a busy schedule on other days.

If you can limit contact to what you feel you can cope with, then you have a much more chance of maintaining good relations with all.

Maydaysoonenough · 29/04/2022 14:53

My ils never had my mobile number. Made for a much easier life. Leave all management of relationships to your dp. He can send updates on the dc /photos /be home when they visit to host.

MayBeeMee · 29/04/2022 15:03

When your baby arrives the dynamic will shift, and that is the time to agree (with your partner) and set boundaries with your ILs.

VeneziaGiulia45 · 29/04/2022 15:20

YABVU, in my opinion.

The way you've phrased it makes her sound much worse than she actually seems to be, looking at the facts.

She's been much more attentive to you since you're pregnant - that's completely normal. Sure, in an ideal world we'd all be lovely to everyone all the time, but it's very common for people to become fussy around pregnant women. It might be a bit annoying but it's hardly manipulative. It's her way of showing she cares. Unless you live with her and have to deal with this every day, I would just let her feel useful.

She manages the family - well that's an issue for her and her husband to resolve. We all have weaknesses, I really don't think that making sure everyone has had enough to eat, organising the family calendar and telling your husband to keep his voice down is that bad.

She'd not good at having in-depth conversations. So what? Set your bar lower for the relationship with her. Why does she have to be a kindred spirit? It sounds like you're the one trying to change her. Maybe she isn't a good conversationalist, or in her view older and younger generations interact a certain way.

She told you she wanted to be a grandma - like almost every MIL ever. When my MIL said this I just chuckled, it didn't even occur to me to be offended.

Unless she's being outright unkind, I think trying to modify her behaviour and force her to talk/act a certain way makes you much more manipulative and intolerant than she is. Leave her be.

VeneziaGiulia45 · 29/04/2022 15:21

VeneziaGiulia45 · 29/04/2022 15:20

YABVU, in my opinion.

The way you've phrased it makes her sound much worse than she actually seems to be, looking at the facts.

She's been much more attentive to you since you're pregnant - that's completely normal. Sure, in an ideal world we'd all be lovely to everyone all the time, but it's very common for people to become fussy around pregnant women. It might be a bit annoying but it's hardly manipulative. It's her way of showing she cares. Unless you live with her and have to deal with this every day, I would just let her feel useful.

She manages the family - well that's an issue for her and her husband to resolve. We all have weaknesses, I really don't think that making sure everyone has had enough to eat, organising the family calendar and telling your husband to keep his voice down is that bad.

She'd not good at having in-depth conversations. So what? Set your bar lower for the relationship with her. Why does she have to be a kindred spirit? It sounds like you're the one trying to change her. Maybe she isn't a good conversationalist, or in her view older and younger generations interact a certain way.

She told you she wanted to be a grandma - like almost every MIL ever. When my MIL said this I just chuckled, it didn't even occur to me to be offended.

Unless she's being outright unkind, I think trying to modify her behaviour and force her to talk/act a certain way makes you much more manipulative and intolerant than she is. Leave her be.

*her husband

Holly60 · 29/04/2022 15:24

Honestly, she sounds different to you but well meaning.

You may well actually appreciate some practical help rather than stimulating conversation when the baby arrives.

I think as a PP has said, pull back a bit whilst you are pregnant - it's a time of massive change and you are absolutely entitled to feel a bit anxious about everything.

But perhaps keep an open mind- once the baby is here and you've managed to settle a bit - revisit the relationship and see if you can work out a dynamic that works for everyone.

Perhaps whilst pulling away a bit, you can reassure a bit with some comments on how they will make lovely grandparents etc. as a grandparent myself, it's sometimes hard for us too to navigate the changing role from centre of the family unit to living slightly outside the nuclear units. It's so lovely to step back and see our DC flourish as parents but it can also feel bittersweet sometimes.

Holly60 · 29/04/2022 15:26

MayBeeMee · 29/04/2022 15:03

When your baby arrives the dynamic will shift, and that is the time to agree (with your partner) and set boundaries with your ILs.

This might have worked for you but it's not normal so I wouldn't necessarily give it as blanket advice.

Most people try to foster positive relationships with their children's grandparents and in this day and age a lot of that is being in communication via WhatsApp etc.

Holly60 · 29/04/2022 15:28

@MayBeeMee apologies that was meant for
@Maydaysoonenough

SweetPeaGirl · 29/04/2022 15:30

My advice is to get you and your husband on the same page with regards what you want, then put it into action. A frank conversation with her might help. Limiting time spent might help. And challenging things as they come up may also help.

Like, you say you are good at boundaries, but what did you do when she came into the room while you were changing? Anything less than ordering her out is not good boundaries IMO. So you might need a rethink there!

mowglika · 29/04/2022 15:48

I would just take it in the spirit in which it was intended tbh and be grateful that my IL were planning to take an interest in my kids.

You might not get on with your inlaws, but it doesn’t sound like they’re that bad... She hasn’t really done anything to breach boundaries apart from be nice and attentive to you and second guessing why is just asking for trouble

Maydaysoonenough · 29/04/2022 16:01

Honestly how many of your dh's pander to their dm's regarding the updates? The request for photos? The invites /the inviting? The wanting to see dc on their birthday's, Xmas? Do they text their ds's or the dil's? Bet the ds's are classed as Far Too Busy for all of that...

LittleOwl153 · 29/04/2022 16:01

Do you live with your in-laws? I'm thinking you do from some of your comments. If you do you need to consider moving out before baby arrives.

If you don't just see less of them. They don't have to be constantly in your lives. They don't HAVE to be in your or your baby's life at all. That might be a bit harsh but you don't have to do what they demand.

And I'd definitely tell her to back off if she kept touching me!

Quirkyme · 29/04/2022 16:32

Maydaysoonenough · 29/04/2022 14:53

My ils never had my mobile number. Made for a much easier life. Leave all management of relationships to your dp. He can send updates on the dc /photos /be home when they visit to host.

I like that they didn't have your number... how did you manager this?!

Maydaysoonenough · 29/04/2022 16:41

Got a new number and just never gave it to them. And told dh straight not to bloody dare! They became intolerable tbh. Came over every Monday. Then suggested they start staying over... They only lived less than 20 miles away!! Then they stayed turning up at 8.20 am suggesting they took dc to school.. Dc were never going in a car with them while I had breath.. Op unless they had shits to give about you pre bump Yanbu to keep them at a distance now. You aren't a bloody brood mare!
I bet you my last £ they enthuse that the dc is the spit of their dd... You my dear are incidental.

needhelp34 · 29/04/2022 16:47

I totally get where your coming from. It’s an overstep of boundaries and she not relating to you as a person, you’re an object and it’s HER grandson. Had the same thing with my MIL. Much more subtle than your situation and I kept telling myself I was being ridiculous. My Mum thought I being sensitive, my therapist thought I was being sensitive. Literally 10 days after birth PIL caused the biggest argument and we tried to set boundaries but they kept escalating until we had to remove ourselves from the absolute destruction of our relationship. It was so bizarre. Never recovered.

One thing that became apparent in our situation which I think is relevant to yours is that the PIL could not see that their children were adults. They just could not accept it. And there was something so confronting to them that their child had a child, and they weren’t in charge. They literally set out to destroy it. This was all unconscious of course. Don’t shy away from putting boundaries in now.

needhelp34 · 29/04/2022 16:58

I hope your PIL respect your boundaries and this switch in behaviour isn’t conditional. There’s somethings I got upset about - like buying 20 outfits when we had asked everyone to hold of on gifts - that I now think just didn’t matter. But I sensed on some level what was coming and was sensitive to the boundary crossing. I think what you’re sensing that that too. As long as you and your SO is on the same page you’ll be ok. I wouldn’t ignore verbal boundary crossings, I would make sure you SO is dealing with that now

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