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To still go on holiday without a passport?

46 replies

PoirotAndHisMoustache · 22/04/2022 17:44

i probably am, but it did seem like a good idea at one point.
i am one of the people affected by the Passport Office shambles. Due to fly to an EU country.
i am dual citizen - EU country and British. Passport Office has both of my passports. I still have my national ID.
i will be allowed in the EU country using the ID. I am guessing i am not allowed back to Britain using the ID as i am never applied for settlement scheme - as already British citizen.
i could apply for emergency travel document to be issued while i am abroad to come back to the UK. Cost £100 and takes 48 hours apparently
is it completely bonkers? Would you just lose the holiday or do this?

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Lesperance · 22/04/2022 19:07

I think this could all go really pear shaped. You could leave the country, but you would not know for sure that your passport had not been sent while you were away. So would it be considered to be with the passport agency?
I don't think the airline will fly you back without a passport, because they are responsible for checking that you have the right to enter the UK, or else they have to fly you back. They won't have anything to prove that you are a UK citizen.

Fitterbyfifty · 22/04/2022 19:10

But I think you can still get back in on an EU identity card so you should be fine.

No, you have to have a passport now.

PoirotAndHisMoustache · 22/04/2022 19:13

@Lesperance as crazy at it seems, it actually is not true. Because people who have settled status (which is virtual not an actual card) can travel into the UK using ID card until 2025, and there is no IT facility for airlines to check if someone has settles status, they actually don’t check who is eligible to use ID cards and who isn’t.

besides, see the point about emergency travel document from British High Commission

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titchy · 22/04/2022 19:18

I think psycho's idea sounds the best - if you can cope with the wrath of border control! Alternatively can you fly back to Dublin on your Euro ID card, then back to the UK using a UK driving licence if you have one?

PastMyBestBeforeDate · 22/04/2022 19:31

There are two issues. Firstly will you be allowed to leave? Yes. Secondly, will the airline carry you? Depends on the airline and the destination. You could ask them.
As for coming back, you're unlikely to be allowed on the plane with just an ID card and the airline shouldn't carry you without acceptable documentation.

seadreams · 22/04/2022 19:35

titchy · 22/04/2022 19:18

I think psycho's idea sounds the best - if you can cope with the wrath of border control! Alternatively can you fly back to Dublin on your Euro ID card, then back to the UK using a UK driving licence if you have one?

Be really careful if doing the via Dublin option! Most airlines don’t let you fly on a drivers license even if it is technically allowed. Even if you could argue them into it the stress and risk wouldn’t be worth it to me.

PoirotAndHisMoustache · 22/04/2022 19:38

ec.europa.eu/info/sites/default/files/faq_travel_with_id_cards_final_for_publication.pdf

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MissAmbrosia · 22/04/2022 19:53

I tried checking in with my EU ID card in Manchester and they wouldn't accept it - needed my UK passport. I have dual nationality.

SarahMused · 22/04/2022 19:58

Is it possible to go to the passport office and collect one of your passports? I think I would contact them and ask. If not, I think you would be ok as long as you take evidence that you are a British citizen. An example would be a copy of your birth certificate if you were born in the Uk or if you have scans or photos of your passports. When my daughter lost her passport abroad she entered the UK with photos of our passports as well as her own but she was travelling by ferry. If you can prove you are a British citizen I don’t think you can be refused entry once you arrive.

BobblyBlueJumper · 22/04/2022 20:25

If I'm reading your posts correctly, you don't have a status under the EU settlement scheme, so that policy doesn't apply to you.

You have British citizenship which is different.

PoirotAndHisMoustache · 22/04/2022 20:33

BobblyBlueJumper · 22/04/2022 20:25

If I'm reading your posts correctly, you don't have a status under the EU settlement scheme, so that policy doesn't apply to you.

You have British citizenship which is different.

There is a bit about nor having a settled status and leaving the UK with EU ID? This applies to me

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PoirotAndHisMoustache · 22/04/2022 20:36

MissAmbrosia · 22/04/2022 19:53

I tried checking in with my EU ID card in Manchester and they wouldn't accept it - needed my UK passport. I have dual nationality.

Which airline was that, if you don’t mind me asking? According to this document from European Commission if you are leaving UK with EU airline then you retain your EU Airpassenger rights?

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JulesRimetStillGleaming · 22/04/2022 20:37

Probably not relevant but I left my passport in a hotel in Barcelona once and I was allowed to fly back to and enter the UK with my driving licence as ID. This was before Brexit and I was born in the UK.

The hotel posted the passport back to me.

PoirotAndHisMoustache · 22/04/2022 20:39

Also, it probably comes across like I am arguing with people to make my case, but ai am genuinely lost and don’t know what I am going to do.
this discussion helps me get my thoughts in order

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BobblyBlueJumper · 22/04/2022 21:35

PoirotAndHisMoustache · 22/04/2022 20:33

There is a bit about nor having a settled status and leaving the UK with EU ID? This applies to me

Oh yes I see it now. However point 12 I think is relevant if you wish to get back in. My reading says you need a passport to get into the UK, although you can leave on an EU airline with your ID card.

ButtockUp · 22/04/2022 22:28

If you know that you can leave the country then go and then go to the British Embassy/your county's embassy while you're there and make sure that you take proof of identity/utility bills with you.
It's no guarantee but if you're determined to go...

Ahgoonyegirlye · 22/04/2022 22:33

Just do it, you might be asked to prove U.K. passport on way back so just show them the renewal details.
DW has come back to U.K. from home country ( using national ID) without Her European passport before ( really absentminded!) and hasn’t had more than a few questions at immigration.

LittleMissLego · 22/04/2022 22:36

Im not 100% sure that uk border control have records of uk citizenship. I just travelled to eu country with my dc.
Me on my eu passport (i have settled status for uk) dc on their eu passports (they have dual uk nationality, just didn't bring their uk passports).

When we flew into uk i got through border control fine, but passport checking man said I'd need to go online to get dc their settled status for the uk. I explained that they have uk passports too, and he let us all through after that.

LetitiaLeghorn · 22/04/2022 22:45

Fitterbyfifty · 22/04/2022 19:10

But I think you can still get back in on an EU identity card so you should be fine.

No, you have to have a passport now.

Sorry. Yes, I corrected myself in the post directly after I'd posted that. 😊

PAFMO · 22/04/2022 23:02

You won't be allowed to fly back in on an ID card.Every airline flags up (since Brexit) when you try to add API details that you cannot use a national ID card to enter the UK.

UK Border Control have records of citizenship. Immigration/Border Force/Nationality departments are all very closely connected. A status check can be done there and then on any passport to establish how the holder has the citizenship status that gives them the possibility of obtaining a ppt. 3,300 people have been refused entry this year because they tried to enter on EU ID cards.

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