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Is it ok to say no?

38 replies

lugeanjaam · 09/04/2022 22:42

Cutting a very long story short here.

For reasons that are perplexing to me I have been NC with my parents for 15 years. No drama or arguments, they just stopped contacting me when I moved states (in Oz). My brother and I had a fall out which had nothing to do with them they turned their backs on me and my family. I had 4 children at the time and they also ignored them, no contact on birthdays, Christmas etc. I tried for years to reach out but it was one sided and I gave up in the end.

I really struggled with this for many years, it broke my heart. I had another child who is now 13 and they have never acknowledged her existence.

Early this year the whole family moved to the State I live in as my brother got a transfer with work, they now live 1.5 hours away from us. He now has a 3 year old which my parents absolutely adore and dote on who I have never met.

They have asked to meet up like nothing has ever happened. I'm so torn, I would love to meet my nephew who is innocent in all of this mess but it comes with so much baggage. I'm angry and resentful in their lack of interest in my family and a part of me thinks that I have finally got to the point where I am resigned to the fact my family dynamic is what it is and I am not completely broken by it anymore. I have reached a point of acceptance, even though it still hurts. This side of me has no interest in playing happy families, my children have been so hurt and it's ok to say no, some things are just too big to let bygones be bygones.

The other part of my brain tells me that my parents are getting old and this may be my last opportunity to forge some kind of connection with them. I don't want to have regrets when they go thinking of all the what if's.

I have built a life where my friends are our family, and I have beautiful in-laws who love me like their own. So is it ok to say thanks but no thanks?

OP posts:
RothRoth · 10/04/2022 10:00

Are you sure it's definitely your parents getting in touch and not your sister trying to get you together without their knowledge.

Underfrighter · 10/04/2022 10:03

In your shoes I'd say no unless you've had a tonne of therapy and are strong enough to cope with the inevitable cutting you off again when things go wrong or the scapegoat and golden child dynamics which sound like are going on in the background. If you want to meet up to see what happens and are happy to have a hands off relationship where you see them once in a while or something then maybe you could consider it. But it sounds like it would re open old wounds when they don't explain or apologise, I think they'd be likely to brush it under the carpet or blame you

WhereYouLeftIt · 10/04/2022 10:46

"Early this year the whole family moved to the State I live in as my brother got a transfer with work, they now live 1.5 hours away from us. He now has a 3 year old which my parents absolutely adore and dote on who I have never met."

Your brother got a transfer - and your parents up-sticked and moved with him? And your "sister who still lives with them." If your brother now has a three year old, he presumably has a wife/partner, does he live with wife/partner or does he also still live with your parents?

Whether he does or not, that's a weird dynamic, that they will tag along with his job move. And if his employer moves him again, will they follow again? (I'm pretty sure the answer is yes.) Can you see how odd that is? To move from your home town, all your friends, all your other relatives, maybe your jobs, from the home you built and all the memories that it houses - to walk away from all that because one of your offspring's employer moved them (possibly temporarily) to another location? When offspring moving away is pretty inevitable these days?

It sounds suspiciously as if your brother is The Golden Child, which makes you The Scapegoat.

When other Mumsnetters have described this dynamic in their own lives, I have been struck by usually how little the Golden Child cares about the parents, and how desperately the Scapegoat seeks some crumb of affection from themSad. There's definitely that sense from you, of reaching out, your broken heart.

So I'm going to go out on a limb here and propose that your brother really doesn't give a stuff about your parents. That in his eyes they exist merely to supply him with 'stuff', be that stuff money, time, adoration childcare, whatever. They are not people to him, just acolytes / servants / skivvies / a resource.

And maybe their tagging along with his move, he finds annoying. Their presence gets in the way of his grand new life and lifestyle. Or maybe they're not as good at providing any more, they might even be becoming a bit demanding. Getting on a bit, needing a bit of looking after themselves, maybe? However it's playing out for him and them, I would be deeply suspicious of their motivation in contacting you, because in my opinion they are only doing it because they want something. And they expect you to comply.

The other part of my brain tells me that my parents are getting old and this may be my last opportunity to forge some kind of connection with them. I don't want to have regrets when they go thinking of all the what if's.
That part of your brain is the part that is still seeking the crumb of affection from themSad. Because that's what they trained you to do, all through your life until they cut you off. Please don't kid yourself, there will be no forging of any kind of connection that would be healthy for you. They will treat you as they always have - The Scapegoat.

Please, protect yourself and your children from this ugly, damaging pair. And from your brother and sister, who play along with them because it suits them to do so. Please consider what regrets you would have when they wreak their havoc on your children as they did to you for all those years. There are no 'what ifs' because they have not changed. It's possible they'd pay some lip service to reel you in, but your parents are incapable of anything more.

Please, protect yourself from your poisonous family, and tell them no. It absolutely is "ok to say thanks but no thanks".

lugeanjaam · 11/04/2022 11:26

@WhereYouLeftIt

"Early this year the whole family moved to the State I live in as my brother got a transfer with work, they now live 1.5 hours away from us. He now has a 3 year old which my parents absolutely adore and dote on who I have never met."

Your brother got a transfer - and your parents up-sticked and moved with him? And your "sister who still lives with them." If your brother now has a three year old, he presumably has a wife/partner, does he live with wife/partner or does he also still live with your parents?

Whether he does or not, that's a weird dynamic, that they will tag along with his job move. And if his employer moves him again, will they follow again? (I'm pretty sure the answer is yes.) Can you see how odd that is? To move from your home town, all your friends, all your other relatives, maybe your jobs, from the home you built and all the memories that it houses - to walk away from all that because one of your offspring's employer moved them (possibly temporarily) to another location? When offspring moving away is pretty inevitable these days?

It sounds suspiciously as if your brother is The Golden Child, which makes you The Scapegoat.

When other Mumsnetters have described this dynamic in their own lives, I have been struck by usually how little the Golden Child cares about the parents, and how desperately the Scapegoat seeks some crumb of affection from themSad. There's definitely that sense from you, of reaching out, your broken heart.

So I'm going to go out on a limb here and propose that your brother really doesn't give a stuff about your parents. That in his eyes they exist merely to supply him with 'stuff', be that stuff money, time, adoration childcare, whatever. They are not people to him, just acolytes / servants / skivvies / a resource.

And maybe their tagging along with his move, he finds annoying. Their presence gets in the way of his grand new life and lifestyle. Or maybe they're not as good at providing any more, they might even be becoming a bit demanding. Getting on a bit, needing a bit of looking after themselves, maybe? However it's playing out for him and them, I would be deeply suspicious of their motivation in contacting you, because in my opinion they are only doing it because they want something. And they expect you to comply.

The other part of my brain tells me that my parents are getting old and this may be my last opportunity to forge some kind of connection with them. I don't want to have regrets when they go thinking of all the what if's.
That part of your brain is the part that is still seeking the crumb of affection from themSad. Because that's what they trained you to do, all through your life until they cut you off. Please don't kid yourself, there will be no forging of any kind of connection that would be healthy for you. They will treat you as they always have - The Scapegoat.

Please, protect yourself and your children from this ugly, damaging pair. And from your brother and sister, who play along with them because it suits them to do so. Please consider what regrets you would have when they wreak their havoc on your children as they did to you for all those years. There are no 'what ifs' because they have not changed. It's possible they'd pay some lip service to reel you in, but your parents are incapable of anything more.

Please, protect yourself from your poisonous family, and tell them no. It absolutely is "ok to say thanks but no thanks".

I completely see how messed up the situation is. My parents provide a-lot of childcare for my brother, they have my nephew from Sunday to Wednesday every week. From what I understand when my brother got the transfer it was never a question that my parents would move with him, it was a given. And yes he has a wife. Not only that but my 84 year of grandmother lives with my parents and she also moved up here, it boggles the mind.

My brother is absolutely the golden child, and he milks it for all he can. He had his child late in life (at 51) and both he and his wife are 'high flyers' and can't seem to manage to integrate their son into their lives, that's where my parents and child care comes in.

Thank you to everyone for your kindness and responses. It has really helped me to be at peace with my decision to say no. It's sad but they made decisions over many years that they need to be accountable for.

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itsjustnotok · 11/04/2022 11:53

I’d go with no. We are NC with MIL, her choice. The first time it happened I managed to sort it out of guilt. The 2nd time I wasn’t prepared to put any of us through it. She actually had met my eldest DC who she doted on. Then dropped us like a sack of potatoes because she wasn’t getting her own way. Don’t regret it at all. The negativity was ridiculous and she was awful toward DH. I’ve got no room for that behaviour now.

MrsSkylerWhite · 11/04/2022 11:55

RantyAunty

I wouldn't even grace them with a reply.

They'd probably lining you up to care for them as their golden boy can't be expected to do it.“”
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MrsWobbleTheWaitressIsTired · 11/04/2022 12:05

You're definitely OK to say no. I wonder what they want from you. Organ donation, care for granny?

Chloemol · 11/04/2022 15:40

I think I would go, on my own

Ieould then take the opportunity to ask why, after 15 years if being ignored they now want a relationship and then make a decision depending on what they say.

I would also let them know exactly what I thought if their behaviour

thisplaceisweird · 11/04/2022 15:52

@Krakenchorus

Say no. Say why. Then close the door for good.
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SamphirethePogoingStickerist · 11/04/2022 15:56

Another saying that the Kraken has it right. Short, simple and emphatic. You don't owe them a protracted explanation, you owe them nothing, their actions have natural repercussions.

Sod them. Look to the family you have made. 💗

gamerchick · 11/04/2022 16:40

Wouldn't touch it with a bargepole. Fucked off for years but advancing in years now get in touch? Suspicious that it's for future caring duties.

They've made their bed....

HazelBite · 11/04/2022 16:56

You have close and loving In Laws, that is enough, for your family. Sad though it is I wouldn't give your parents & co any further thought, I am of the opinion that they are thinking of further care, perhaps for Grandma, for them or to perhaps help out with the Nephew.
You know that the rift is down to them, as you get on with your in laws, don't give them another thought!

PurplePinecone · 11/04/2022 17:39

Say no. Cutting you and your kids off for no good reason is unforgivable. Would you want to let them in for them to do it again?

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