I'm sorry MN but - to laugh at this?

[BertieBotts]

Just noticed this pinned thread:

How to get a good night's sleep

All the tips are :o :o :o if you have children. Which, er... not sure if anyone has noticed, but...?

AIBU to think this is a totally bizarre choice for a parenting website?

I've been here for over a decade. No kids...

I don’t get it (: these seem like pretty universal tips?

Also no kids here.

I've pointed this out a million times but I'm a bit bored today so...

You do realise there are loads of topics on this site that have nothing to do with parenting?

I don't see any clash between those tips and having children?

There are lots of posters here who don’t have children. Are you one of those posters who always pops up and asks why someone without kids would be on “a parenting website”?

@LazyJayne

I don’t get it (: these seem like pretty universal tips?

I don't get it either? Also, if you do have children, you should only be having sleepless nights for a few years. They do grow up and start sleeping better eventually, you know.

So if you have kids you can’t have a nice mattress or pillows, stay off screens at bed time or exercise ? Erm ok, you do you, but loads of parents manage this and also their kids do sleep! You don’t have to be a mumsnet martyr !

Not sure what the problem is Op tbh. I'm in my mid fifties, adult DD not living at home and I would love to get a decent nights sleep. Why should that thread not be there? It's not just people with young children on here as I'm sure you are well aware.

I have adult children

If you think that's bad - the 'Sleep' forum used to have a little picture of an angelic, sound-asleep baby at the top of it. I always thought that was exquisitely cruel

Funny how all the childless people getting good sleep are also joylessly sucking the lighthearted out of your thread, OP. Maybe they need less sleep.

I think it’s fairly obvious what OP means: it’s hard to have a firm routine, calm environment and de-stress with a toddler kicking you in the head or a newborn screaming at you every 45 minutes or both of those things tag-teaming to run you ragged all night.

I have 3dc but there’ they’re 10-14 so sleep and when they wake up they get themselves breakfast. The baby/non sleeping stage is short in the scheme of things (although feels like forever at the time).

Thanks stuntbubbles for getting the point. I was starting to think I'd gone mad probably just sleep deprived

I do have a 13yo as well as little ones so I am not stupid and do understand that they stop kicking you in the head at 3am and ruining all your nice things at some point. It's just the article with all these miraculous tips that never mention children made me laugh.

Okay, apologies because I misread your OP.

I’m childfree but suffer insomnia 🤷🏻‍♀️

@BertieBotts @stuntbubbles ah so the point was to get some digs in at childless people on mumsnet and feel superior for being sleep deprived due to your children.

Got it now!

Incidentally do you expect children to be discussed in every topic guide? Healthy eating, weight loss, gardening guides should also always reference impact of children or it’s lol so funny as it’s mumsnet…

@WaltzedIntoIt I think the point was a lol thread for sleep-deprived mums, and no one’s made a dig at all. Perhaps go and have a nap.

Don't think a luxury duvet would stop my kids waking me at night either.

Well, seeing as my friend with a child gets more sleep than me...

Some of have DC some dont. Just like in RL really! Honestly I do have DC as it happens .Do wish to discuss non child topics as well!

I know what OP means though. It's a perfectly reasonable topic but just reading the word sleep can feel painful in the early years and there's pretty much nothing to be done! Actually, tips for a more restful night makes things worse because it feels like false promise and I'd rather not feel sleepy at nights

But yes, that is only for a short period of a parent's life and I know there are posters without children

Gosh, I'm surprised that all these well-rested people are still so snappy and humourless! It was completely obvious what the OP meant and she clearly wasn't 'trying to get some digs in at childless people' I have a lot of sympathy for the way that people without children can feel patronised by society and I can see why it might make people bitter/quick to take offence but it's not fair to put that onto a random jokey thread.

I completely get it OP. But then I do have a near two year old who likes to party for a couple of hours a night, and her 4 year old sister was the same so maybe I'm past humour.

ah so the point was to get some digs in at childless people on mumsnet and feel superior for being sleep deprived due to your children

Slight leap

Sleep like a baby?

As in sleep for three hours max and wake up crying as you've wet yourself and are hungry?

Or sleep like a baby rootling, snuffling and throwing your arms about?