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Why do people keep dangerous dogs???

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Ori18 · 31/03/2022 10:23

Another little boy pronounced dead this morning on the news - the toddler who was mauled on Monday and subsequently suffered a cardiac arrest. The dogs in question are not thought to be banned under the Dangerous Dogs Act - but I'd be interested to know which breeds they were as it's quite evident that certain breeds are more dangerous to children than others - why aren't Rottweiler's on the banned list for example?

And even though Pitt Bull Terriers are banned, people still go out of their way to own them, and are then shocked when they attack small children, maul babies, tear limbs off people. It makes me so angry. Same goes for German Shepherds and Staffordshire Bull Terriers. The Bull Terrier dogs are/were specifically bred for fighting - why would you even consider having one of these types of dogs around a baby or a small child? What is going on there? Is it lack of intelligence? Lack of education? Lack of giving a fuck? Because I think there need to be more dogs on the banned list, and heavier penalties served to people who insist on breaking the law to keep these dogs.

Aggressive/dangerous dogs and babies/small children do not mix, should never be mixed and it shouldn't take more deaths for the law to change around this. AIBU?

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dollydimple123 · 31/03/2022 13:55

I agree 100% why anyone would have a big powerful dog that had the potential to kill around small children I just don't know! Sorry to say it but most of these owners who have dangerous dogs are the benefits Britain type who have no idea how to train and care for a dog they just like to have a dog to show off and make them look 'hard'

Soubriquet · 31/03/2022 13:57

No dogs should be on a banned breed list.

It’s not the breed. It’s the breeding/owner/dog.

A pit bull can be a very safe and soft dog. A chihuahua can be an aggressive nasty dog.

Only difference is, you can fight a chihuahua off easier than a pit bull.

VampireMoney · 31/03/2022 13:57

@dollydimple123

I agree 100% why anyone would have a big powerful dog that had the potential to kill around small children I just don't know! Sorry to say it but most of these owners who have dangerous dogs are the benefits Britain type who have no idea how to train and care for a dog they just like to have a dog to show off and make them look 'hard'
What a disgusting comment. You are absolutely clueless as to who 'most' owners of large dogs are.
RMS0209 · 31/03/2022 13:57

@FooFighter99

Dear *@Ori18* I haven't read your thread and don't intend to, I just wanted to come on and say a massive FUCK OFF to your "Rottweilers are dangerous" crap

Having owned multiple Rottweilers, both male and female, I can honestly say that they are one of the BEST breeds of dog you can own

They are friendly, loyal, good with kids (and people in general) and easy to train. You should hear the compliments I get at the school gates over how well behaved my girl (15 months) is - she's a fucking joy to own and you obviously know nothing about the breed

Please kindly educate yourself before you post more bullshit

@FooFighter99 YES!!!! Re fucking tweet x
purpleboy · 31/03/2022 13:59

@FooFighter99

Dear *@Ori18* I haven't read your thread and don't intend to, I just wanted to come on and say a massive FUCK OFF to your "Rottweilers are dangerous" crap

Having owned multiple Rottweilers, both male and female, I can honestly say that they are one of the BEST breeds of dog you can own

They are friendly, loyal, good with kids (and people in general) and easy to train. You should hear the compliments I get at the school gates over how well behaved my girl (15 months) is - she's a fucking joy to own and you obviously know nothing about the breed

Please kindly educate yourself before you post more bullshit

Perhaps you should read the thread then you will see the evidence that not all Rotties are the wonderful dogs you want to portray them to be. Telling someone to fuck off and educate themselves, I'd probably say take a look in the mirror.
TheseDaysGoBy · 31/03/2022 14:01

@FooFighter99 Absolutely spot on, same as my German Shepherd, such a lovely, gentle girl. This thread is incredibly offensive I'm quite pi**ed off with OP to be honest.

ChairCareOh · 31/03/2022 14:03

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CounsellorTroi · 31/03/2022 14:10

I will tell you that years ago my mum and stepdad got a Labrador when my brothers were little 6&7 maybe, and that Labrador was awfully aggressive! He used to bark and snarl at us all until we were up against a wall, yet you don't list labs as being aggressive?

The breed is not generally aggressive but there are bad strains in any breed. This is why it’s important to view both parents if you are buying a puppy.

Soubriquet · 31/03/2022 14:13

Ignorant parents are to blame too.

I’ve seen too many parents letting their children run ahead and throw their arms around the “cute fluffy dog” whilst the dog owner is trying to block the children from getting to the dog.

Parents are then furious that little Jacqueline can’t pet the dog.

I still won’t forget when a father stuck his little toddler, no older than 18 months, in front of my nans dog and then walked off to play on his phone.

Luckily, my nans dog tolerated having his ears pulled for the few seconds it took us to gently pull the toddler away.

The father was cross because we had interrupted his “me” time.

hellcatspangle · 31/03/2022 14:14

Haha they use German shepherds as guide dogs. Seriously, the dogs you mention are fine if trained properly, which is why they aren't on the banned breeds list.

Sadly there are a lot of idiots about who have no idea about training dogs, and want a big muscly dog to show off to their mates and look 'ard. There's a bloke who walks what looks like a pit bull near where I live, it's very strong scary looking and he gets dragged along by it. I'm sure nobody is impressed by him, I just think he looks like a knob

BasiliskStare · 31/03/2022 14:16

@ChairCareOh As a dog owner I would not disagree with licences or mandatory training. I also think being on a lead on pavements / roads should be more rigorously enforced ( I think the law say "under control" at the moment but can't be sure)

I do think 3rd party insurance should be mandatory but so many dog insurers won't do only 3rd party - I think the Dog's trust will do it for a suitable donation.

A great friend of my DM used to be a dog handler for the police - he had a GSD - and she was a bit old as she was retired ( retired police dog) , but the amount of training she had was way beyond what most dogs would get. She would obey his every word but he would still say - I will introduce you to her so she knows you are a friend.

VampireMoney · 31/03/2022 14:17

Ignorant parents are to blame too.

Absolutely. As kids we were taught how to respect dogs because they're animals (I grew up with big dogs), and my DC have been taught the same as I'm an owner of large breeds. It's the responsible thing to do.

I hate seeing parents who allow their kids to pull on the dogs ears or mess with their mouths or toys and invade their space. And I'm applying that to ALL BREEDS.

Abhannmor · 31/03/2022 14:18

People seem more defensive of the large dogs than of the dead child.

Siameasy · 31/03/2022 14:19

We are all adults here and we know what kind of pond life the owners will be.

In answer to the Q - status. A dog who has power and thus encapsulates the traits that the owner wishes he or she had. The dog represents how the owner wants to be seen ie ‘ard, in charge, don’t-mess-with-me….low self esteem in the form of a dog.

It’s never a poodle with a pink bow is it?! Or a shaggy looking “mutt” because those aren’t the status dogs we are talking about. It’s always some evil looking dog looking very like it’s owner.

WoMandalorian · 31/03/2022 14:20

I don't see why you're specifying certain breeds tbh when it should just be, if you have young kids, don't own any dogs full stop. They are predatory animals. They eat other animals. It's their nature and no matter how much people argue that they've been domesticated they clearly haven't as children are still dying.

Ringmaster27 · 31/03/2022 14:23

@AffIt nuts isn’t it.
The only reason we ageeed to foster the huskyXgsd was because we had a decent sized garden, I only worked mornings at the time and we lived rurally, surrounded by miles of dog-friendly nature reserve and fields!
We had the time and space to give him the exercise and training time he needed.
In the end, he went off to live on a farm bear Canterbury with experienced husky owners who had a gaggle of them!

ChairCareOh · 31/03/2022 14:24

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fourofwands · 31/03/2022 14:26

I can never understand why people say it's got nothing to do with the breed.

You never hear about poodles mauling people to death. Clearly some breeds are more dangerous

Gizacluethen · 31/03/2022 14:31

Staffies are highly rated as nanny dogs. They are amazing with children. We have a rottie. She's a right softy, gentle with our little boy, scared of most dogs and cats.

I thought you were going to be talking about dogs that have shown aggression towards people, why do people keep them. Because I know many dogs, not rotties or staffies, that are aggressive towards people and their owners don't seem to mind.

Siameasy · 31/03/2022 14:31

Reading the article it reads as if the little boy wasn’t in his own home so how did this happen because I would not even be on a property with 3 Rottweilers let alone have my kid with me. Our neighbour has a large dog. I would never take my DC round there, with it without me. The dog is too large to fight off. These were too-and there were 3 of them.

hangrylady · 31/03/2022 14:31

@Ori18

Another little boy pronounced dead this morning on the news - the toddler who was mauled on Monday and subsequently suffered a cardiac arrest. The dogs in question are not thought to be banned under the Dangerous Dogs Act - but I'd be interested to know which breeds they were as it's quite evident that certain breeds are more dangerous to children than others - why aren't Rottweiler's on the banned list for example?

And even though Pitt Bull Terriers are banned, people still go out of their way to own them, and are then shocked when they attack small children, maul babies, tear limbs off people. It makes me so angry. Same goes for German Shepherds and Staffordshire Bull Terriers. The Bull Terrier dogs are/were specifically bred for fighting - why would you even consider having one of these types of dogs around a baby or a small child? What is going on there? Is it lack of intelligence? Lack of education? Lack of giving a fuck? Because I think there need to be more dogs on the banned list, and heavier penalties served to people who insist on breaking the law to keep these dogs.

Aggressive/dangerous dogs and babies/small children do not mix, should never be mixed and it shouldn't take more deaths for the law to change around this. AIBU?

I'm no dog expert but I'm not sure it is the breed. For some reason I get really nervous when I see an off lead Rottweiler but actually the few that I've met are extremely soft, same with staffies. The most aggressive dog I've ever encountered was actually a sheepdog, which had it not been behind a fence would have no doubt ripped my arm off!
VampireMoney · 31/03/2022 14:32

@Siameasy

We are all adults here and we know what kind of pond life the owners will be.

In answer to the Q - status. A dog who has power and thus encapsulates the traits that the owner wishes he or she had. The dog represents how the owner wants to be seen ie ‘ard, in charge, don’t-mess-with-me….low self esteem in the form of a dog.

It’s never a poodle with a pink bow is it?! Or a shaggy looking “mutt” because those aren’t the status dogs we are talking about. It’s always some evil looking dog looking very like it’s owner.

Your comment is highly offensive to those of us who responsibly own large breed dogs.
gertrudemortimer · 31/03/2022 14:33

This is really outting but it still shocks me so fuck it. I took my son on a play date a few months ago and turned up at the house and found they had a "cross" pitbull which was ill, also hadn't been taken out for a walk in weeks due to the owner not been able to handle the dog. Three young children live there, noisy, no space to sit anywhere, chaotic house with a small courtyard. Even if I picked my child up if the dog went near him I wouldn't stand a chance against it and my reaction is always to grab my son if dogs get a bit too close as my own parents have an annoying out of control, naughty dog that's caused me to be anxious with dogs around my son. The dog got put outside but owner was anxious about it escaping! Also barking, growling for food that was given constantly. Children upstairs playing with a baby gate on stairs but the kids kept opening the baby gate without letting their parent know. Never again will I go back there and I'm so glad I go to houses with my child first.

hangrylady · 31/03/2022 14:33

Also to add, I've only ever been bitten by a dog once. A Yorkshire terrier no less! Vicious little bastard but luckily to small to do much harm.

Siameasy · 31/03/2022 14:35

@Gizacluethen

Staffies are highly rated as nanny dogs. They are amazing with children. We have a rottie. She's a right softy, gentle with our little boy, scared of most dogs and cats.

I thought you were going to be talking about dogs that have shown aggression towards people, why do people keep them. Because I know many dogs, not rotties or staffies, that are aggressive towards people and their owners don't seem to mind.

“Nanny dogs” my arse. Stop this dangerous myth. A staffy killed a baby at the beginning of this year-it was in the press. Just like all decent nannies do…kill babies and children. The baby was weeks old. Cloud cuckoo land.