Why do people keep dangerous dogs???

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Another little boy pronounced dead this morning on the news - the toddler who was mauled on Monday and subsequently suffered a cardiac arrest. The dogs in question are not thought to be banned under the Dangerous Dogs Act - but I'd be interested to know which breeds they were as it's quite evident that certain breeds are more dangerous to children than others - why aren't Rottweiler's on the banned list for example?

And even though Pitt Bull Terriers are banned, people still go out of their way to own them, and are then shocked when they attack small children, maul babies, tear limbs off people. It makes me so angry. Same goes for German Shepherds and Staffordshire Bull Terriers. The Bull Terrier dogs are/were specifically bred for fighting - why would you even consider having one of these types of dogs around a baby or a small child? What is going on there? Is it lack of intelligence? Lack of education? Lack of giving a fuck? Because I think there need to be more dogs on the banned list, and heavier penalties served to people who insist on breaking the law to keep these dogs.

Aggressive/dangerous dogs and babies/small children do not mix, should never be mixed and it shouldn't take more deaths for the law to change around this. AIBU?

@Katiekat84
Thanks for responding, so are you saying it's such a low chance of it happening so it means it's worth taking the risk to you?
I'm not sure you can really compare the 2 situations you did, I'm not aware of anyone jumping across a table in a restaurant to stab a child.
There are plenty of reasons why a dog can attack, and previous history ie he has always been fine to me isn't a good enough reason to put a child in that situation where they could be at risk, a previously seemingly great dog can turn for any reason, and while I agree some smaller dogs can indeed be vicious, they don't pose the same kind of risk as a dog whose jaws you can't prize open during an attack.

@nokidshere

Are you actually serious?
What an utterly moronic and embarrassing message.
What do you expect you have animals and then when you have children you get rid of them?
I'm baffled.
You know what's worse... all the children's mothers would let them come and play and we all often would be out in the grass!!! 😳🫢🫣😱😱😱😱😱😱
Hopefully one day we can all live how you think it should be huh

@RMS0209 that sounds lovely, my Akitas absolutely love when my DCs friends are over because it means there's extra cuddles and fuss and more hands to throw the ball or frisbee for them.

[quote RMS0209]@nokidshere

Are you actually serious?
What an utterly moronic and embarrassing message.
What do you expect you have animals and then when you have children you get rid of them?
I'm baffled.
You know what's worse... all the children's mothers would let them come and play and we all often would be out in the grass!!! 😳🫢🫣😱😱😱😱😱😱
Hopefully one day we can all live how you think it should be huh [/quote]
Second this!!!!

I've been in a job ( district nurse) where people insist their dog is "fine" and have said the dog would never bite. I think we've all learned the hard way that we have to insist the dog is put outside or we don't visit.
I've been bitten twice.
A colleague almost lost her arm having been bitten and got a severe infection.
We are grown adults and these pets have harmed us despite what the owners have insisted.
How on earth they can be left with children is beyond me.
I am not anti dog I do have a cocker spaniel but I'd never ever leave her with a child. And having had the grim experiences I've had I would never believe anyone who tells me their dog would never bite as this is a nonsense.

[quote VampireMoney]@RMS0209 that sounds lovely, my Akitas absolutely love when my DCs friends are over because it means there's extra cuddles and fuss and more hands to throw the ball or frisbee for them. [/quote]
Exactly this! @VampireMoney how lovely to hear, spoilt dogs. X

[quote VampireMoney]@RMS0209 that sounds lovely, my Akitas absolutely love when my DCs friends are over because it means there's extra cuddles and fuss and more hands to throw the ball or frisbee for them. [/quote]
My best memories as a child was playing with our German Shepherd and I was brought up to love and care, but also respect dogs of all sizes and to always ask before a fuss.

@nokidshere has no clue.

Nasty dogs aren’t born that way, they are made. While we have obedience training for puppies, the owners of dogs would also benefit from training, so many idiot have dogs that shouldn't .
Unfortunately, many dog owners haven’t had the opportunity to learn about dog behaviour and how to read the social signals of dogs before they become aggressive. Dogs are social animals as complex as a six-to-ten year old child. It is important to understand the individual likes and dislikes of our dogs and understand what is likely to trigger aggressive behaviour.
Any trauma experienced in the dog’s life can have a similar effect as trauma in children.
People often buy dogs because they want a cuddly ‘toy’ and then don’t know how to treat them or train them properly.
It’s a big commitment to own a dog and the larger and/or stronger the dog is, the more important training becomes.
Dogs attack for many reasons but we always have to remember that most dogs never attack. Common causes of dog bites include fear-based aggression, resource-guarding aggression and predatory aggression.
With predatory aggression, the dog may be stimulated to attack when they come across small children whose behaviour (movements noise etc) may be prey-like. All dogs and children should be supervised.

Apologies for the DM link but spotted this story today.
It ticks nearly every single box for how not to have dogs, let alone with children. And note, whilst I feel for the family suffering such a tragedy, the courts place the blame firmly at the father’s feet for placing his child in such a dangerous position, hence the 4 year jail sentence.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10672719/Father-newborn-son-killed-vicious-Chow-Chow-Alsatian-jailed-four-years.html

@Pops100 @RMS0209 I was raised with large dogs too and taught how to respect them. My DC and their friends have been taught the same.

American Akitas had a bad name a while back, but if people could see my two laid out like giant rugs with a cat curled up asleep on the back of each one, or the DC sat with one on their lap because the dogs think they're still puppies, then they might think differently. Or not.

[quote VampireMoney]**@Pops100* @RMS0209* I was raised with large dogs too and taught how to respect them. My DC and their friends have been taught the same.

American Akitas had a bad name a while back, but if people could see my two laid out like giant rugs with a cat curled up asleep on the back of each one, or the DC sat with one on their lap because the dogs think they're still puppies, then they might think differently. Or not. [/quote]
Sounds like the perfect doggos , my cousin had an American Akita.

I feel like even if they did unfortunately these type of people would never change their mind, they are fixated on the idea that large dogs are aggressive and fighting creatures. It's their loss they are missing out big time .

Wow so many clowns 🤡

@SMD16

Wow so many clowns 🤡

£10 to watch the circus 🤡

You aren't kidding. Having a dog that everyone assumes is aggressive means you have to learn something g body language and some seriously quick human body language - to spot the twat that homes in on your dog's head for a quick tussle.

I live my dog, I know he isn't aggressive. But I cannot and will not ever trust him in that, as I have no idea what will trigger that first time. Small child, over friendly adult, illness, injury.

So I read him, constantly.

Unlike many bother dog owners who think their dogs cutest behaviour is sweet, not realising it's often a cry for help or a warning to piss off.

All dogs are dangerous if raised incorrectly. And typically, it's the smaller breeds that attack people the most, they just aren't usually fatal attacks so not reported as much.

Of course it has to do with the bread of dog. A powerful aggresive dog that knows how to fight, how to worry will kill and injure more people than an aggressive Maltose terrier.

@purpleboy there have been more attacks on children by strangers in public areas as there have where a docile well treated family dog had attacked a child out out of the blue in their own home under direct supervision of an adult.

I actually can't find one example of that happening.. In the same way that I will take my child to a restaurant or walk on the pavement with her in a stroller where a lunatic driver could come off the road to hit us. It's unlikely to happen so worth the risk.

[quote Katiekat84]@purpleboy there have been more attacks on children by strangers in public areas as there have where a docile well treated family dog had attacked a child out out of the blue in their own home under direct supervision of an adult.

I actually can't find one example of that happening.. In the same way that I will take my child to a restaurant or walk on the pavement with her in a stroller where a lunatic driver could come off the road to hit us. It's unlikely to happen so worth the risk.[/quote]
Each to their own, I hope for both you and your child's sake you never have to find out some dogs just shouldn't be around children the hard way.

@montysma1

Of course it has to do with the bread of dog. A powerful aggresive dog that knows how to fight, how to worry will kill and injure more people than an aggressive Maltose terrier.

Oh pack it in.

I wouldn’t trust any dog around young children, doesn’t matter how friendly you think they are at the end of the day there’s always a small chance they could snap.

Sorry but you'd have to be pathologically stupid to bring an adult bull breed dog into a home with a toddler. Sadly there are many stupid people around.

There also needs to be much less stigma about putting dogs down if they have shown aggression, rather than rehoming to some unsuspecting idiot who never thinks to question why the dog suddenly needs rehoming

All dogs are dangerous if raised incorrectly. And typically, it's the smaller breeds that attack people the most, they just aren't usually fatal attacks so not reported as much.

Yes...that's exactly why smaller dogs are less dangerous. At the end of the day the aim is to prevent death. No one is saying that small dogs are better tempered on average. Just that the effect of their bite is much less severe

Simple, really: “I want a pit bull/XL Bully/Tosa”. “Then you are clearly not fit to have a dog of any type.” Without fail, all the people I see with these type of breeds are young lower class males in tracksuits, who clearly shouldn’t have responsibility over anything, let alone a dog which might be dangerous. And no, I’m not a snob, I’m telling it as it is. It can only be to “look hard”, for dog fighting and/or to warn off people from their drug dealing turf.