To think until we can control biolology men and woman will never really be equal

[LovelyYellowLabrador]

So many friends I know settle for a guys that’s not really good enough for them
The whole biological clock ticking is such a curse for women
It makes them rush to settle down and accept less than they should
And while it’s woman carrying the babies, giving birth and breastfeeding will always affect us

Maybe in the future when we can all freeze our eggs when we are young
And science and technology enables all of us , to be able to have children later in life we are
always going to struggle

The amount of women I know that have put up with shitty partners is unbelievable
And I swear this is a massive reason why

If you don't understand my simple post that is not my problem. I clearly outlined where I would find insult and never made any suggestion towards it being reflective of my personal life.

There's a 28 higher up that should be 18.

So your a little insulted and concerned about the narrative that women are so blinded and controlled by their want (because it's a want not a need or necessity) for a child that they can not make rational or sound decisions.... even though there is evidence on MN to show that this does in fact happen?

I can understand the concern part, it is concerning that some women think this way, but I don't understand why you would be insulted by someone else's choice?

@RedRobyn2021

I think there is more to the problem than this

Like, the way we are raising our men

The way we treat women in pregnancy and birth and postnatally

The way women are automatically assigned all the primary care giving from birth. I'm not talking about the breastfeeding, I'm taking about the fact men are only given two weeks paternity. Women automatically take on the role of primary care giver from the off. This leads on to them taking on the household tasks, the household admin, doing all the childcare, doctors appointments, wake ups. Then we go back to work and we take on all that plus work. But if men were given more leave to be with and support their family, I think things would become more equal in the raising of the children.

This. It isn't a problem with biology but the way we structure society. But fairly typical that women's biology gets the blame for the failure of men to step up and be good parents and partners.

I actually think you are right. It is ideal to have children young but many people actually mature emotionally and intellectually later, they want to do more things than just parenthood. Or if they are inclined to a difficult career may forgo it allogether. If smart women have less children and don't pass on their genes then this isn't so good as well... I think something needs to change more than telling women they should just be happy to have children younger and cluster feed even if they hate it.

I think the issue is societal.
Women who have no interest in having children still get the raw end of the stick of a misogynistic society which holds them back

@aylis

The attempts to control biology is why there’s inequality. Supporting biological reality instead of trying to harness it to exploit women’s labour would make more of a difference

Unfortunately the so called futility of controlling biology is also pedalled by those reluctant to condemn rape outright.

Yabu. Biology doesn’t have to stop both men and women being valued equally.

Saying that women put themselves in damaging relationships just because of a ‘biological clock’ is like saying men rape just because of a biological urge. It’s bollocks. These are adults with brains that can make choices, and are capable of dealing with the consequences of their choices.

@CounsellorTroi

If a woman chooses to settle for a man she realises is not ideal partner/father material because she can’t wait to have children, that is entirely on her and she should own it..

This.

I also think that there is a significant proportion of women who have babies because they should - because of societal pressures, because they are told it's the next step, because they feel they should.

Maybe what we should be doing for girls is allow them to see the advantages of not having children and of accepting a different - though equally relevant, rewarding and happy life without them.

Thanks for the sensible commmets about this you’ve really made me think hard about this and how it’s actually society and many factors
I’m just so so sick of the sexism we all have to face every fucking day

@AskingforaBaskin

"maddening

They have just crested virgin births in mice, the need for a partner may be no more.

Wow some things we should just no do"

Just to confirm I was not suggesting that we should nor passing any moral judgement either way, just thought it was interesting as a scientific advancement pertinent to the discussion, and also to pp, yes it is the asexual, no male cells required, reproduction in mice (as well as no sex so virgin, but subsequent poster has explained that it is correctly described as parthenogenesis)

@maddening Oh Sorry that wasn't directed at you at all. Just commenting on the topic.

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@LovelyYellowLabrador

So many friends I know settle for a guys that’s not really good enough for them The whole biological clock ticking is such a curse for women It makes them rush to settle down and accept less than they should And while it’s woman carrying the babies, giving birth and breastfeeding will always affect us

Maybe in the future when we can all freeze our eggs when we are young
And science and technology enables all of us , to be able to have children later in life we are
always going to struggle

The amount of women I know that have put up with shitty partners is unbelievable
And I swear this is a massive reason why

YABU.

What society needs is equal wages for women, and better pay in the "female ghetto" jobs and properly funded childcare. With this more level playing field, there'd be revolution in relationships.

Rich women will not be having children in 100 years time. Heck really rich women are not having them now. First it will be (already is) surrogates. Then it will be artificial full stop. For rich women.