To ask for a payrise or leave early in these circumstances

[Warszawa]

Hi all,

Interested in your opinions on my situation.

I am being made redundant in December - until then I have been asked to stay covering a manager on mat leave.

I haven't been a a manger before but have a over a decade of experience in the company and industry.

I am going to be responsible for a team of 7 people, I have just received an offer letter stating my salary is staying the same :/

Now I did ask what the banding was and it is higher than mine but my salary falls within the higher band if that make sense.

So I will bring this up tomorrow with hr - but just interested what you would do ?

Option 1 - they increase my pay and I stay on and get payout in December

Option 2. They say no

Yabu- you should stay on until December at the same pay

YANBU - if no pay rise ask them to let me leave early get my payout and go for a higher paid position elsewhere ?

Thanks all

If you leave early I presume you won’t get your payout unless this has already been agreed…? Do you have in writing? Otherwise you’re resigning.

I'm a bit confused. Is your role being made redundant now, but they've offered you a temporary role until December?

Or your role exists until December but they've asked up to cover this role until then?

If the former then you can turn down the role and accept redundancy now.
If the latter you can turn down the role but the company have no obligation to make you redundant any sooner than December as your role exists until then.

Rather than a payrise, as you're already paid within the band, I'd ask for a temporary responsibility allowance.

Apologies for confusion

My role is now redundant as of 31st of March

I have signed the paperwork and will be getting a payout - the date is 31st of December (date subject to change by company if needed)

I will 100% be getting the payout

@Warszawa

Apologies for confusion

My role is now redundant as of 31st of March

I have signed the paperwork and will be getting a payout - the date is 31st of December (date subject to change by company if needed)

I will 100% be getting the payout

Not if you get a job somewhere else in that time, you won't.

HR is tricksy like that.

I'd ask them to reconsider the pay, but if they say no stay till December anyway. The acting up post will still look good on your CV and you're not being underpaid as such, if your current salary is within the banding.

You can ask them to release you early, but they'd be mad to still give you the payout.

Yeah I defiantly won't leave if they say I won't be getting the pay out early - it's worth a lot and I'll stay on to make sure I get it anyway.

I just wanted to see if people think I should be getting an increase temporarily - as pp put it a temporary responsibility allowance - thanks for that terminology I'll be using that in my email to them tomorrow :)

Why is there a discrepancy of 6 months between your end date and you receiving a pay out? And when you say the company can change the date, does that mean they can push it further down the road? Another 6/12months +?

All sounds like the deal is heads they win tails you lose.

You’re redundant on Thursday but don’t worry you’ll get a payout.
But you won’t get that payout until the exact same date as a temporary acting up role they’d like you to take ends as well?

I suspect there’s no pay increase for it as it might increase your payout too? If it’s some sort of salary * service formula.

Are others being made redundant as well?

Is it P&O by any chance

What happens if you say no to covering the maternity leave? - if your role has been made redundant from 31st March would they pay your redundancy out now?

No it's not P&O thank god

So they made a quarter of the workforce redundant effective from 31st of March.

They asked me specifically if I can stay until December.

They can not extend it without my consent, but they can make the date sooner with a months notice (unless agreed by me to be quicker)

The worst that can happen is they say no and and then refuse to let me leave with the payout before December - it'll be what it'll be and I won't leave early in that case , but they are a reasonable company in honesty, but I just wanted to get other's opinions on if they are being cheeky in not giving me a step up in pay considering the added responsibility.

I haven't signed the new temporary contract yet and won't be doing so until I've raised this point with them

Be wary of this. I had the same thing. All my team was made redundant. I was offered a temporary extension for 5 months. At the end of the 5 months I wasn't technically redundant as it was a temporary role so they refused to pay me my redundancy.

I have signed a document that states they will be paying me redundancy and pilon on December 31st unless they make it earlier with at least 1 months notice.

So I'm not worried about that to be fair - the company has been through several rounds of redundancies and this is fairly common practice. Everyone had received their payouts as agreed in the past.

I had a similar thing. My role was redundant but I was offered a 12m secondment to another department, which may have become with a permanent opportunity. I had it in writing that I definitely was still redundant to x date though so it was my choice whether to stay or take the payment.

9 months in a job with a higher pay band will be good for the CV/next job, redundancy or not, pay rise or not. So I'd think of that as a career boost.

Thanks for your replies.

I will give it a shot in asking for a temp increase but won't hold my breath.

Itll be good for the cv as others have said in any case.

Very pointed use of crocheted blanket tucket right up round neck! The sun was streaming through the lounge window, so I thought I would get away with it.

Sorry - wrong thread.

Look at the advantages if you stay till December

I) You will have had the redundancy payment
2) you still have the same income, which takes some financial pressure away from job hunting.
3) when you apply for new posts, this new manager role puts you in a
very impressive light; you are demonstrating flexibility, responsibility, supportive co-operation despite redundancy. And, that your employer recognises and relies on your managerial competence. How sorry they must be to lose you.
4) Not least, current employer can't object to you having time off for interviews.
5) Or leaving without notice if you're offered another job. After all, you've accommodated them, so they need to reciprocate

@Scarby9

Very pointed use of crocheted blanket tucket right up round neck! The sun was streaming through the lounge window, so I thought I would get away with it.

Haha - I love a wrong thread post!

Back to the OP - My role is now redundant as of 31st of March so you leave on the 31st March, or you 'act up' in another role to the end of Dec?

@2bazookas

Look at the advantages if you stay till December

I) You will have had the redundancy payment
2) you still have the same income, which takes some financial pressure away from job hunting.
3) when you apply for new posts, this new manager role puts you in a
very impressive light; you are demonstrating flexibility, responsibility, supportive co-operation despite redundancy. And, that your employer recognises and relies on your managerial competence. How sorry they must be to lose you.
4) Not least, current employer can't object to you having time off for interviews.
5) Or leaving without notice if you're offered another job. After all, you've accommodated them, so they need to reciprocate

1. OP might find a better job before December, and will lose the redundancy payment (?)

2. they wont pay the redundancy?

You could ask for an increase to the next point in the scale but if it is a higher grade but within the same pay grade it is still with doing as you will have that management and higher grade experience to apply for other jobs after redundancy