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To be fuming with this dog owner?

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Bountifull · 27/03/2022 17:19

Last summer I was walking along a narrow footpath in the village when a man and his 2 children came along behind me on their bikes, he rung his bell to alert me to the fact that he was there. They had their (big) dog with them which was off lead running just in front of them. I called my dog to heel and stood aside as far as I could to let them past. Their dog clocked mine and bounded towards us, I could tell from it’s body language it was dominant/ and or aggressive. It flew at my dog and knocked her to the floor and then kept jumping on her and everytime she escaped from under her would pin her again, growling. I kept trying to grab it off my dog or grab my dog but it was just a tangle of legs/ arms etc. The owner in the meantime wasn’t at all bothered, my dog was cornered because of the footpath being so narrow and so she couldn’t run away so in the end I said to him ‘can you please get your dog as mine is going to go for it in a minute.’ He got off his bike, came over and managed to haul his dog off mine.

He lives in the village, just down the road from me. Since that day I haven’t seen him around the footpath with it again but have seen him most weeks biking around the village with it running alongside on the lead. I half wondered whether this was because it had annoyed or attacked another dog as it’s quite obvious it’s got no recall when off lead when it spots another dog. I’ve walked past him with me on the path and him on the road with his dog since and the bloody thing lunges, growling nearly pulling him off his bike once we’re parallel with it. Again, he doesn’t seem to register this at all and says in a cutesy voice to it as we’re almost parallel ‘who’s this for you to say hello to’ and grins inanely as this thing growls and hauls him around on his bike with me praying he doesn’t let go of it.

Cut to today, was quietly wandering, annoyingly along the same narrow bit of footpath as last summer and I hear a bike sound it’s bell behind me. It was him and his dog, so I called my dog to heel and stepped off to the side as much as I could. I thought it was on the lead, but then as they got closer, realised it wasn’t. It started thundering towards us and my heart was in my mouth he shouted pathetically to it ‘be nice now, who do we have here for you to say hello to?’ No is your dog okay with others, is it okay if mine says hello etc. I knew there was no point in asking him to put it on a lead as it was about 20 yards away at this point and fixed on my dog and I knew it had no recall so knew he had no hope (and so did he!) i had put mine back on the lead but quickly let her off so she would be able to run if needed (though hard as it’s so narrow) it launched itself straight on her knocking her to the floor and then growled and went for her neck and my dog started screaming so I ran over and clapped my hands and screamed loudly ‘Get away from my dog.’ My dog then managed to break free and ran behind my legs, with me stood between my dog and his dog. He went ‘it’s fine, calm down it’s just noise.’ I literally couldn’t even open my mouth to reply I was that angry. He grabbed it and cycled off. No apology, no acknowledgement of what had just happened.

I’m 20 weeks pregnant and am a raging ball of hormones atm so maybe I overreacted but ultimately, his dog had no recall when it’s off lead if it sees another dog. It is a BIG dog and thunders towards you, hackles raised, growling with him feebly calling it to no avail. He doesn’t ever say ‘can my dog say hello to your dog?’ ‘Is your dog friendly?’ Just calls out ‘who is this for you to say hello to?’ HmmConfused

My husband wants to go and knock on the door and ask him to keep it on a lead if he can’t control it off lead but I’m not sure he should as I think it’ll end in an argument and it’s a small village. I’m just upset as I’m not going to be able to relax on walks now knowing this thing could appear at any moment and my dog certainly isn’t a fan of it now after she’s been jumped on/ pinned to the ground twice by the bloody thing.

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Bountifull · 27/03/2022 18:52

DH is round there now 🙈 so nervous, my heart is beating so fast.

Yes I probably should’ve gone myself but I am honestly no good at asserting myself, such a wuss and also, I get very emotional and snap very quickly whereas DH is much more even tempered and confident/ self assured.

I doubt it’ll do any good as I honestly don’t think he’ll think him or his dog have done anything wrong but you can only try!

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EmoIsntDead · 27/03/2022 19:01

@Bountifull If you know where he stays report him to the police. We had a similar issue with a neighbour whose dog attacked ours a couple of times. The first time the police came out and spoke to us, recommended we approached our neighbour and tried to sort things out amicably. She became defensive, blamed us and the next attack was worse so the police escalated their response and spoke to her themselves. Thankfully they moved away just before lockdown so we feel much safer now.

I now carry this on dog walks to protect me and my dog. It's not harmful but would hopefully be enough to distract an attacking dog and give us time to get away.

To be fuming with this dog owner?
Ikeptgoing · 27/03/2022 19:04

@ForeverLooking

www.gov.uk/control-dog-public

You can report an out of control dog to your council dog warden service. I wouldn't hesitate to do so. The bloke sounds like an absolute twat.

This^^

It's been more than 3 times now that his dog has be chased aggressively off lead. Take a photo of dog and man and report it to police and to council dog warden.

Ikeptgoing · 27/03/2022 19:06
  • has behaved aggressively off lead

Sorry I don't know what that autocorrected to "has been chased"

BlueOverYellow · 27/03/2022 19:31

3 incidents JUST WITH YOU! Please report it. i'm sure there are others.

SucculentChalice · 27/03/2022 19:40

Is this something to do with Labradors or Labrador owners? Theres a woman near me who lets THREE of them run off the lead on our local bridleway. They have nearly knocked me off my bike, they knocked over a runner and they chase horses. Apparently she is very arrogant and announces she has permission from the landowner to have them off the lead which is bollocks because its council owned land.

Bountifull · 27/03/2022 19:59

So DH went and spoke to him. Apparently he was very apologetic and said he didn’t realise he had caused me such distress.

He said he doesn’t believe his dog is aggressive, it apparently plays with a few other dogs in the village, though he admits her way of approaching dogs is aggressive/ boisterous.

DH asked him if he could have recalled his dog today or any other day that they come across another dog when it’s off the lead. He said no, unfortunately he can’t, she doesn’t have recall, especially around other dogs.

DH then asked him how he thinks he could manage situations like that better in the future then. He said by keeping it on a lead/ getting it back on a lead (good luck) if he sees another dog whilst on their walks.

He then said something like she likes to go and say hello to dogs and I like her to socialise and my husband said well yes, but it isn’t actually up to just you and your dog who you get to say hello to. Some people just want a quiet walk and don’t want to have interactions with a boisterous dog against their will. Some people have dogs that aren’t good with other dogs and those dogs will attack if approached and jumped all over etc. He said you have to actually ASK if people want you and your dog to approach and not just unilaterally make that decision yourself for others.

He apparently considered this and said yes, he hasn’t thought of it like that Hmm

Anyway, it was a fairly long chat with him and DH but he has apologised and has been made aware of how him and his dogs actions affect others. So we will leave it at that for now and see if he keeps it on a lead from now on (and after admitting it has no recall, he should be keeping it on a lead at all times anyway!!)

Any more incidences and I won’t hesitate to contact the dog warden and report him. I may do so anyway tomorrow just so it’s on record.

Also just to say, there have been two incidences off lead, not 3. There was a separate incident when it was on the lead but I wouldn’t say it was an incident, just it growled and lunged at us as we walked past but lots of dogs have lead aggression and do that and I was able to give it a wide birth so it didn’t bother me, it bothered me that he seemed oblivious to it growling and lunging on the lead and kept saying ‘say hello to the dog’

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WizzardPjs · 27/03/2022 20:04

Is it a Labrador OP?

WizzardPjs · 27/03/2022 20:04

@SucculentChalice

Is this something to do with Labradors or Labrador owners? Theres a woman near me who lets THREE of them run off the lead on our local bridleway. They have nearly knocked me off my bike, they knocked over a runner and they chase horses. Apparently she is very arrogant and announces she has permission from the landowner to have them off the lead which is bollocks because its council owned land.
People seem to think that Labradors don’t need training, it’s infuriating
Bountifull · 27/03/2022 20:05

@WizzardPjs, no not a Labrador.

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HunterHearstHelmsley · 27/03/2022 20:08

Report it!

A neighbour of mine has a large, aggressive dog, who he insists in walking off lead. Last week, the dog went for my cat (on my garden). I had my hockey stick in the car and smacked the dog to get it off the cat. Bloody hell, the owner screamed blue murder! If you can't control your animal then I'm going to protect mine. I wouldn't have been able to get it off with my hands.

My cat was my priority. Your dog is yours. Report it... Or carry a hockey stick.

NannyKrampus · 27/03/2022 20:51

I would have struggled stopping myself from kicking the fecker. I am referring to the one on the bike. Yep, I would report this guy. I have several dogs but would be raging too.

FurbleSocks · 27/03/2022 20:53

You need to report this man and his dog to the dog warden. It's happened twice. You know where he lives. It cannot be allowed to happen again.

SirChenjins · 27/03/2022 20:56

We’ll done your DH OP - that sounds like a very measured and calm conversation on his part (not sure my DH would have been quite so controlled!), hopefully that’s the last time he’ll have it off lead until he’s invested some time and money into getting some professional input.

DimplesToadfoot · 27/03/2022 21:54

I usually say to these people that let their dogs jump all over mine, "be careful, mines been at the vets these past few weeks, she's got a bacterial infection and E.Coli" she doesn't but she did have it once I laugh inwardly as I watch the colour drain from their faces as they desperately try to get their dogs away from mine, as they are scuttling away I often follow it up with a "3k it cost me". I see these dogs nearly every day and none approach me any more, it's delightful :-)

WhatsTheEffingPoint · 27/03/2022 22:04

Its good your hubby has spoken to him.
Now give him one more chance.
However I would write something down about each encounter. One more bad encounter and he would be reported.
Whilst his dog not physically hurting your dog, it could be physiologically. Your dog could become reactive, along the lines of get in first before it gets me. Your dog only has to react this way to someone elses dog as they dont realise its not the bully boy dog, and then who ends up in trouble?!

Notanotherwindow · 27/03/2022 22:06

I have one (a labrador ironically) who hates other dogs. Just cannot be trusted and is never off lead in public. If his dog had jumped on mine it would have been bitten. It doesn't matter if yours is friendly. Mines not! And your badly behaved dog is not helping his training! Just keep it under control.

and breathe

shrodingersvaccine · 27/03/2022 22:08

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damnthisvirusandmarriage · 27/03/2022 22:27

I too wouldn’t be thrilled with this nonchalant attitude from someone with an out of control animal.

Day send your husband round though. That’s asking for trouble. Call 101 and report every time there’s an incident. This is the best way to deal with it. After a few complaints they should start their Lead Initiative with the owner.

Teach your dog MIDDLE too. Safe place for your dog if this happens again. You don’t want your dog running off in flight mode coz of this mindless prick.

Bananarama21 · 27/03/2022 22:31

A dog like this attacked my dbro dog and the owner didn't do anything to stop it. My dbro ended up booting it to get it off his dog who was hurt. The dog and the owners ran off.

Cherrysoup · 27/03/2022 22:45

Your DH is my hero! Superb! Every dog owner needs to read what he said. I got so fed up of owners allowing their out of control dogs to approach my terrified dog. I had a couple of stand up rows, but it’s an endless bloody push against the tide of clueless people.

When mine was just starting walks after vaccinations, a cocker pinned him. I was fucking incandescent. The owner claimed it was ‘playing’. Mine was terrified, we’d only met nice, gentle dogs up til then. Having had an extremely reactive dog (made that way because he was attacked as a puppy), I really don’t want another thanks to some clueless idiot.

Please report if he doesn’t have the dog under control next time. I’m working so hard on recall, it’s hard work, but the one thing that is utterly essential, IMO.

GrandRapids · 27/03/2022 22:55

Well done to your husband. Idiots like this need a firm talking to. I'm absolutely agog that the bloke 'hadn't thought' of any of the points raised. He really does sound like an utter dick head.

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