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Can't afford to fix fence

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mommaneedssleep · 22/03/2022 19:50

Been going through a tough time financially recently (like many people!). Our electricity bill has more than doubled, nursery and school club have both put their prices up. Basically we are being stretched further than we can manage. We've been trying to cut down where we can and have done some drastic measures to bring bills down such as getting rid of one car ect.
Our fence broke in the bad storms we had in February, we live in a long line of Victorian terraced houses and the fence that has broken is our responsibility. With everything else currently going on we just can't afford to get it iced. It requires 2 new fence panels and 3 of the posts. Neighbour has come round tonight asking when we are getting it fixed. I explained that at the moment we aren't able to but will try to do it over the summer. They said that as the weather is getting nicer they now need to paint their side and get their trellises planted ect so need it doing asap.
I understand that it must be annoying for them, but I really can't afford to do it at the moment. To be clear there is no gap or fallen fences ect, the fence is still standing but is just bowed (if that's the right word??) to one side.

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Katya213 · 22/03/2022 20:58

If it bothers them so much, let them fix it.

totallybonafido · 22/03/2022 21:00

We just had exactly this, the neighbours were really peeing me off asking me about it constantly. Fortunately we could afford to fix it, and I'm glad it's done so that I don't have to see them casting their judgmental looks at me through the gap all the time. We both work full time and we have 2 kids - not top of my list really! Was tempted to just put a bit of string up to wind them up Grin. It took over a month to get anyone to even look at it and 3 people stood me up to even come and quote Angry

minieasteregg · 22/03/2022 21:03

Urgh my old neighbour died and their son came and did this to us because he wanted to sell his house he told us we were ruining his chances of a sale (the house was now empty). The fence had kept falling down because animals kept jumping over it so I'd given up and I'd never seen anyone in the garden so was waiting until the summer to sort it.

You don't have to put a fence up.
In the end I put a chair facing the gap and left it. Immature I know but he was annoying me because he was really rude about it and it was all to benefit him hurrying up the sale, when I finally did it, the house didn't sell for months anyway.

whynotwhatknot · 22/03/2022 21:09

Been through this its your fence you dont even have to hve one legally-if they want to paint a fenc tell them to put their own one up my neighbour did

you can take the whole thing down and nothing they can do

whynotwhatknot · 22/03/2022 21:11

@totallybonafido

We just had exactly this, the neighbours were really peeing me off asking me about it constantly. Fortunately we could afford to fix it, and I'm glad it's done so that I don't have to see them casting their judgmental looks at me through the gap all the time. We both work full time and we have 2 kids - not top of my list really! Was tempted to just put a bit of string up to wind them up Grin. It took over a month to get anyone to even look at it and 3 people stood me up to even come and quote Angry
You know you didnt have to do anything
saleorbouy · 22/03/2022 21:25

I'd be weary of neighbours putting up another fence on their own land as some have recommended. Moving the boundary line can cause havoc when selling a property especially if the deeds are not amended and the fence is not erected on the original boundary division.
As a scenario, moaning neighbour erects fence on their property and puts up trellis but it is not legally recorded. OP removes their fences as it dilapidates. Over the years the boundary between the properties naturally moves to the new fence erected and owned by the neighbour. OP wants to sell but boundary line is not correct on the drawings, they also state that OP legally owns fence, not the neighbour. House sale flounders as boundary, land and ownership are not clearly defined. Solicitors make lots of money as boundary and fence ownership are contested.
Please ensure any boundary and fence, wall hedge ownership are correctly recorded.

SixteenTwelve · 22/03/2022 21:35

Our fences totally shat the bed in storm Eunice. We have a gap on the right side where the whole panel just blew into next door’s garden and the rest of them are leaning and getting worse. All of the fences are ours because the house surrounding were built several years after our house. It is going to cost £4.5k to fix it and a bit of work on the retaining wall which has seen better days. We can afford it but I have had to say goodbye to my new bathroom I wanted this year.

Builders etc are really busy fixing everyone’s fences/roofs at the moment so even though we got our quote straight away we aren’t booked in until the 9th April.

YANBU

Change123today · 22/03/2022 21:53

We have recently been in this situation! We have a dog & they have a nervous 4 year old. So I was a little concerned if the wonky fence would then eventually go over & I wouldn’t want my dog to scare their daughter. I’m also aware that getting anyone in & the cost!! Together we fixed it very temporarily - offered to split the cost when it was time. They have managed to find a cheap way of doing it - short concrete post and existing post & panels stay. It’s worked - may not look great with a short post but it safe! & was a lot cheaper than a whole new fence!! Maybe look at other cheaper options?
I know it’s hard at the moment financially & getting trades people even in!

user1471538283 · 22/03/2022 21:57

I would point out to them that you will do it when you are able to. If they dont like that I would tell them that you are not obligated to have a fence at all, only a boundary, which could be a piece of string.

longtompot · 22/03/2022 22:09

Repair g fence aside, your neighbour is being a cf thinking they can paint and attach things to your fence on their side! Have they even asked you if they can do this, or just told you?

"The most important part of the garden fence law is regarding who can change or paint an existing fence.[3] The answer is clear – only the fence’s owner is permitted to alter the fence in any way. While this may seem counterintuitive, you are not allowed to paint or stain the side of the fence that faces your garden without prior permission. You are also forbidden from allowing climbing plants to grow upon it without permission, as they can cause damage to the structure."

From here www.gardenbenches.com/blog/common-laws-around-trees-and-garden-boundaries/

If they want to do that then they can erect their own fence and paint and trellis away to their heart's content.

Philisophigal · 22/03/2022 22:17

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Againstmachine · 22/03/2022 22:25

I'd be weary of neighbours putting up another fence on their own land as some have recommended. Moving the boundary line can cause havoc when selling a property especially if the deeds are not amended and the fence is not erected on the original boundary division.

Anyone can out up a fence as long as it's not in your boundary it doesn't matter.

AlecTrevelyan006 · 22/03/2022 22:25

@Blimecory

If it’s your fence, not only can they not attach trellis or anything to it, they can’t paint it either - because it’s yours.
This - make sure to tell them when you do put up your fence they can’t paint it
saleorbouy · 22/03/2022 22:49

Againstmachine

I'd be weary of neighbours putting up another fence on their own land as some have recommended. Moving the boundary line can cause havoc when selling a property especially if the deeds are not amended and the fence is not erected on the original boundary division.

"Anyone can out up a fence as long as it's not in your boundary it doesn't matter."

Not disputing that anyone can erect a fence on their land, I'm pointing out that if it's on or new a boundary and not clearly defined and recorded it can cause disputes and issues when the "original" owners move on and clear definition of the boundary is required. During these disputes the deeds will be used and if they don't match this can cause protracted solicitor battles which cost time and money during conveyancing. It can put purchasers off.

ASaucerfulOfSecrets · 22/03/2022 22:50

I remember a tale on a neighbourhood forum of a man who had twats for neighbours. He installed a lovely new fence at considerable expense and the following day the neighbour came out and painted ‘his side’ of it with a fence stain that then leeched through into fence owners side looking extremely unsightly.

‘‘Twas a glorious moment when fence owner lifted and rotated every panel so that newly stained side faced him.

So should you replace the fence I’d advise to wait until the NDN has painted it and turn the bugger round 😂

saleorbouy · 22/03/2022 22:50

new = near

godmum56 · 22/03/2022 22:59

@saleorbouy

Againstmachine

I'd be weary of neighbours putting up another fence on their own land as some have recommended. Moving the boundary line can cause havoc when selling a property especially if the deeds are not amended and the fence is not erected on the original boundary division.

"Anyone can out up a fence as long as it's not in your boundary it doesn't matter."

Not disputing that anyone can erect a fence on their land, I'm pointing out that if it's on or new a boundary and not clearly defined and recorded it can cause disputes and issues when the "original" owners move on and clear definition of the boundary is required. During these disputes the deeds will be used and if they don't match this can cause protracted solicitor battles which cost time and money during conveyancing. It can put purchasers off.

if they put it on their land (which is all they can do) then they will lose land and the neighbour will gain!
mommaneedssleep · 23/03/2022 05:49

@ASaucerfulOfSecrets

I remember a tale on a neighbourhood forum of a man who had twats for neighbours. He installed a lovely new fence at considerable expense and the following day the neighbour came out and painted ‘his side’ of it with a fence stain that then leeched through into fence owners side looking extremely unsightly.

‘‘Twas a glorious moment when fence owner lifted and rotated every panel so that newly stained side faced him.

So should you replace the fence I’d advise to wait until the NDN has painted it and turn the bugger round 😂

I love this suggestion! 😂
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Raindancer411 · 23/03/2022 06:15

Do it when you are ready, if they come knocking again, politely say they are free to put a fence up within their boundary and paint and attach what they want to it. If you replace it you will need to say as it is your property, they are not allowed to paint or fix any trellis to it as if this damages if, they will be liable.

Cakesnbiscuit · 23/03/2022 06:27

I’m petty, even when you have the money I wouldn’t fix it. I would wait a few more months just to annoy them. Technically you didn’t state which summer? And tradesman are hard to come by.

mommaneedssleep · 23/03/2022 06:33

@Cakesnbiscuit

I’m petty, even when you have the money I wouldn’t fix it. I would wait a few more months just to annoy them. Technically you didn’t state which summer? And tradesman are hard to come by.
Yeh this is how I'm feeling at the moment! If they hadn't have said about replacing it quickly just so they can paint it I wouldn't have been as bothered but they have put my back up now.
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Bunnycat101 · 23/03/2022 06:35

It depends on the convenants as to whether you need to maintain a border. If there are no gaps the I wouldn’t rush but if there were whole panels down and no border id prioritise it more. They are being very cheeky to assume they can paint the fence/attach trellis.

TigerLilyTail · 23/03/2022 06:39

You could put up some tarpaulin or bamboo screening if there is a hole. Just so you don't have to look at each other all summer.

EveningOverRooftops · 23/03/2022 06:42

OP are the fence panels OK? As in could they be fixed to new posts?
Mug so I’d just replace the posts and reattach the panels and fuck em if they complain it looks tatty.

foamflower · 23/03/2022 06:42

Put some chain link fence up yourself like our neighbours have done!