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economise · 15/03/2022 08:22

Is there an easy way to describe how the economy works? I hear inflation, GDP and how wages don't keep up so there is a real terms cut in pay, cost of living, how and why commodities go up so much in cost like petrol, food utilities.

It's hard for me to get my head around how it all connects together.

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Bluechinavase · 15/03/2022 08:42

Inflation - the rate at which the cost of things is rising
GDP - growth domestic product - someone somewhere decided that this (stupid imo) way was the best way to measure how good your country is. It’s basically the output per person. The higher it is the better we are doing. But constant GDP growth is unsustainable and has knock on effects.
Fuel, commodities etc. are all considered basic necessities nowadays. But unless it’s sustainable and renewable it is therefore finite, thus when in short supply, the prices go up.

There is a ying and yang to everything, even economics. But we live in a capability society and constant GDP growth is sold to us as a good thing.

Take housing. On one hand if house prices fall, it’s headlined as terrible. However at the same time, there will be headlines saying how terrible it is that folk can’t afford a house. Well which is it then??? A house is basically a shelter of 4 walls and a roof but it has been commoditised to something beyond a home.

Luredbyapomegranate · 15/03/2022 19:31

There’s a dummies guide to the economy and you’ll find other guides on Amazon which will have the basics.

Then I expect the economist does a basic free newsletter

beddygu · 15/03/2022 19:33

it's fucked!

SquishySquirmy · 15/03/2022 19:34

That you Rishi?
Grin

JesusInTheCabbageVan · 15/03/2022 19:37

@SquishySquirmy

That you Rishi? Grin
GrinGrin

While we're at it, can anyone explain what caused the crazy inflation in the 1970s? I've seen a few posters talking about how food etc in shops having multiple price stickers as the prices just kept rising so fast. What happened?

Phineyj · 15/03/2022 19:38

Buy How Money Works and read it. You will learn a lot!

beddygu · 15/03/2022 19:41

oil prices & wage growth i think.

TinySaltLick · 15/03/2022 19:45

Scottish notes are legal tender

Phineyj · 15/03/2022 22:37

The book When The Lights Went Out covers the 70s very accessibly.

JesusInTheCabbageVan · 16/03/2022 09:16

@Phineyj thank you, will have a look.

thepeopleversuswork · 16/03/2022 09:28

@JesusInTheCabbageVan

I think basically high inflation in the 70s was a combination of central bank policy, sky high oil prices and the fact that towards the end of the 70s the unions had a near stranglehold over the economy (although I have heard economists arguing that this is overplayed).

But no doubt an economist will be along to tell me I'm full of shit soon.

JesusInTheCabbageVan · 16/03/2022 12:15

But no doubt an economist will be along to tell me I'm full of shit soon.

If they do, a second economist will only be along soon to tell them they're full of shit Grin Recent events have really opened my eyes to how much economists are up for a fight.

Hrpuffnstuff1 · 16/03/2022 12:34

iea.org.uk/economics-101/

www.economist.com/economics-a-to-z

www.investopedia.com/articles/economics/11/five-economic-concepts-need-to-know.asp

I have 2 economics-based degrees.
PPE and Business economics.

It gives a keen insight into current and future issues, especially human behavior during and post covid.
Basically, all the ranting on Twitter and other social media platforms is uninformed. And the informed media are just baiting with sensationalism.

AnotherNC22 · 16/03/2022 12:51

@JesusInTheCabbageVan

But no doubt an economist will be along to tell me I'm full of shit soon.

If they do, a second economist will only be along soon to tell them they're full of shit Grin Recent events have really opened my eyes to how much economists are up for a fight.

Grin Grin Grin

Three people are being interviewed for a job.

The interviewer asks the first, a mathematician, what does 2 + 2 equal. The mathematician answers 4.

The interviewer asks the second, a statistician, what does 2 + 2 equal. The statistician answers 4 plus or minus a variable depending on the context.

The interviewer asks the third and final candidate, an economist, what does 2 + 2 equal. The economist looks round furtively, pulls down the blind and asks "what do you want it to answer?"

Onlyhuman123 · 16/03/2022 13:25

@SquishySquirmy

That you Rishi? Grin
hahahahahaaa!
deadlanguage · 16/03/2022 15:07

Economics: A very short introduction is a good starting point. For a bit more in depth I’d say get a macroeconomic textbook at the first year undergrad or A-level sort of level from the library and just skip over the maths bits.

In terms of classics Thomas Piketty’s Capital in the 21st Century is good but very long. The Wealth of Nations still underpins a lot of modern economic thinking, likewise could be handy to read some Keynes. Why Nations Fail is also a good read, as is anything by Ha-Joon Chang (who is a very clear writer).

Whatever you do, don’t read Intermediate Microeconomics by Varian, I’m still traumatised…

MereDintofPandiculation · 16/03/2022 15:24

The interviewer asks the first, a mathematician, what does 2 + 2 equal. The mathematician answers 4. The mathematician says “it depends. If you are using modulo 3 arithmetic, it equals 1”

JesusInTheCabbageVan · 16/03/2022 17:28

@AnotherNC22 Grin can imagine a politician giving an identical answer to the economist, in that scenario. There's a lesson in there, somewhere...

AnotherNC22 · 16/03/2022 17:55

@MereDintofPandiculation

The interviewer asks the first, a mathematician, what does 2 + 2 equal. The mathematician answers 4. The mathematician says “it depends. If you are using modulo 3 arithmetic, it equals 1”
Grin Grin Grin
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