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Struggling with school mums and my selfConfidence

20 replies

Countrylifemama · 13/03/2022 20:54

Hi

I have a 4 yo that is going to the school nursery and having just come back from a one of the kids party - I just find it really difficult to engage with the mums? We have Surface level chat etc but felt like they didn’t really want to speak with me or found me rather boring? I approached most of them - none of them came upto me to say hi etc.. I’m just really struggling and found the same with my older child too… feeling quite ashamed that maybe I’m the problem??

What can I do to help build these friendships for my child and me I guess? We’ve only been asked for 1 play date - I’ find I’m the one who’s always asking to set these ups… do they not want to ask my child because of me? Any advice on what I can do to make things better?

Thank you

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planetme · 13/03/2022 20:59

Any advice on what I can do to make things better ?

Yes. Stop giving a shit

Literally none of my friends are school parents

Mine are 16, 12 and 8 and they've all got plenty of mates. I've never been pally with any school mums. Nothing against them I've just never been interested in chatting and making mates

And as for the dc making mates, they will still make them so don't worry about it honestly

ElephantandGrasshopper · 13/03/2022 21:02

Children's parties can be a bit awkward and it is hard to make conversation with other parents there.

We go to the local park after school a lot and I've made friends with some of the regulars there.

I really got to know some of the other school mums and dads through class camping trips, a few beers around the campsite and conversation flows a lot more easily. Although I appreciate that camping isn't everyone's cup of tea.

planetme · 13/03/2022 21:02

And the parents at that party sounded a bit rude / standoffish tbh.

Don't worry, once dc get to like 5/6 onwards you can usually leave them at parties it's great

Mamette · 13/03/2022 21:04

You have to get to know people, just having DC in the same class in school won’t automatically create friendships. The “surface level chat” is all you get at first.

Use the surface level chat to see whether anyone seems nice or like-minded, and if they are, carry on from there. People are individuals.

Notwithittoday · 13/03/2022 21:04

@planetme

Any advice on what I can do to make things better ?

Yes. Stop giving a shit

Literally none of my friends are school parents

Mine are 16, 12 and 8 and they've all got plenty of mates. I've never been pally with any school mums. Nothing against them I've just never been interested in chatting and making mates

And as for the dc making mates, they will still make them so don't worry about it honestly

That’s easy to say if you have other friends. If you don’t, these interactions become quite important. Op you just have to keep being friendly, take your dc to everything you are invited to that you can. The kids will make their own friendships
MrsGHarrison87 · 13/03/2022 21:11

I can't be bothered making too much effort with the school mums. I don't have the energy, like I see some who you can tell for them it's the highlight of their day. I'll talk to them and be nice but they aren't my friends. I'm quite friendly with one or two but they're acquaintances. This is one of these topics that isn't worth stressing about.

SarahWoodruff · 13/03/2022 21:18

It's quite reasonable to want to make acquaintances that are friendly enough to get your child invited to some play dates, though, isn't it? Easy to scoff but most parents want to help their kids make friends in reception.

OP just keep turning up to these events, be chatty, be helpful. Maybe set up a WhatsApp group for the parents of kids starting reception in September?

Some parents are more proactive than others at arranging play dates; I'm rubbish but not because I'm bored by the other parents!

BeatieBourke · 13/03/2022 21:20

My ds started school two years ago in a rural village we had just moved to where I knew no one (and everyone knew everyone else). Going to the school gates and parties etc made me feel really anxious every day. I get what you mean. I also don't have many friends, so the stakes felt quite high at first.

My advice is, do you. Just linger, being yourself, and friendly in passing. Things like this come with time. I don't have great mum friends at the school (which is fine), but I do have a few 'mates' I tend to stand with or say Hi to when I see them. Our kids tend to get invited to the same stuff and we have, once or twice, bumped into each other in the local pub and had a drink together. Now the kids are a bit older they come round for play dates and their parent might pop in for a cuppa or might not. Some days I'll pass a mum I know quite well and we'll just nod. Or maybe even not notice each other because life is busy. But that's all OK too.

Don't take it personally. Be available but don't try too hard. Eventually people will just get used to seeing you and say hello. And then one day the school run / kids parties will seem like an everyday inconvenience with the occasional social interaction rather than the "running the mum gauntlet" that it seems like at the beginning.

Dont forget the Covid has set everyone back a bit in making these connections, so everyone is in is in similar position. If I went to a party with no one I knew I'd say to another parent "Crikey, it's been so long since I've been somewhere with this many people I don't know. Bloody covid! It feels pretty weird." Someone is bound to be thinking the same.

FWIW I think parents at school gates are incredibly cliquey (probably for of all of the above reasons). I chose not to try to get 'into' any groups and just he my slightly bonkers, obviously an outsider self. It helped me in the long run. The interesting people got curious, and the mums I do now know are pretty like minded.

MrsGHarrison87 · 13/03/2022 21:23

You don't need to be best mates with the parents though for your child to have friends. My kids all have friends, but I only engage in pleasant conversation with their parents. I don't see them socially. I don't really do play dates as I've got loads of kids in the house already. They go to parties when invited but I don't like the whole thing of going to each others houses to play every week.

zeddybrek · 13/03/2022 21:30

Stop giving a shit and be yourself and don't try too hard.

I live in a very multicultural part of London and my daughter's class is in self imposed apartheid.

We were the only BAME family at a Boden clad birthday party yesterday and it made me cringe. One mum actually cut into a conversation I was having with another mum and stood in front of me (back to me) as if I were invisible! They just can't handle trying to interact with anyone that doesn't look or dress like them. It's pathetic.

Playground friendships, both children and adult ones, are a minefield. The less you care the better it will be for your mental health.

TurtlesAndTropicalFish · 13/03/2022 22:39

OP I felt exactly like you when my DC was in reception, as they’ve got older I kind of gave up and now my DC has made friends on their own and I just arrange playdates for them based on who they want to meet and it’s very much mutual. So I would say let you child lead and follow their cues. If right now they aren’t mentioning anyone - that’s okay, give it time and just let everything relax for a while. Maybe don’t feel like you have to go to every party. Ask your child if they want to go and if they do then go but don’t feel obligated. And when you are there maybe just ask questions and listen in conversations, that way you don’t feel you’re giving too much away or feel too awkward. That’s what’s worked for me. Good luck OP. It gets easier x

thepeopleversuswork · 13/03/2022 23:16

I mean this kindly but you can't expect to have friendships handed to you on a plate by virtue of your DCs friends parents.

I see this all the time on here, people getting anxious and upset because they don't immediately acquire a ready-made friendship group at school or nursery. And then getting upset about "school mums" (as if they were a whole species of woman).

It's really very unrealistic. The other mums (and dads) are just getting on with their lives. In the nicest way possible they aren't under obligation to become your friend. Some of them may become friends over time but its not an entitlement. It doesn't mean anything is wrong with you if they don't either. It just is what it is.

And you won't help your kids develop friendships by over-engineering this.

Stop treating them as potential friends, stop over-investing and overthinking and relax about the whole thing and I guarantee it will become much easier.

sst1234 · 13/03/2022 23:23

MN is very strange in that so many parents care about ‘school parents’? Is this really a thing in real life? Do people really care about socialising with random people who happen to have children share a classroom with your child. What is this obsession, seriously? Or maybe it’s the done thing that many of us know nothing about?

LindyLou2020 · 14/03/2022 22:14

@sst1234

MN is very strange in that so many parents care about ‘school parents’? Is this really a thing in real life? Do people really care about socialising with random people who happen to have children share a classroom with your child. What is this obsession, seriously? Or maybe it’s the done thing that many of us know nothing about?
I take your point, @sst1234. It DOES seem trivial in the grand scheme of things. But if you are a young mum, (and it's usually the mum who does the school run), who may be new to the area, with no social network, the school gate can be seen as a (hopefully) good place to make friends. However, unfortunately, IME, cliques form, the parents seem to regress to playground behaviour, and God help you if your face doesn't "fit". If you have a good coat of psychological armour, and/or if you've never experienced this, you are very fortunate.
kitcat15 · 14/03/2022 22:27

@planetme

Any advice on what I can do to make things better ?

Yes. Stop giving a shit

Literally none of my friends are school parents

Mine are 16, 12 and 8 and they've all got plenty of mates. I've never been pally with any school mums. Nothing against them I've just never been interested in chatting and making mates

And as for the dc making mates, they will still make them so don't worry about it honestly

This is sound advice Im 57...My kids are 30, 27 and 23...I have precisely one friend now who was a school mum...and this was more an extra curricular mum friend....I now collect my GC from school....and its not changed...same cliques...same shit
Wondergirl100 · 14/03/2022 22:32

OF course people may want to make friends with other parents at school - I've never heard of this 'don't give a shit' attitude I read about on mumsnet.

I am a confident outgoing professional person with plenty of friends elsewhere - but yes I absolutely do want to make friends with the parents of my childrens school friends.

By friends I mean - have a chat at the gate, know them for emergencies, be able to invite their kids over and have mine invited back.

I have a year 5 and year 3 child - year 5 I feel a genuine warmth for the parents after so much time in the playground / school gate together -
year 3 more tricky, lockdown and my daughter has ASD so it's not been easy and tbh it makes me sad for my child as the social side isn't sogood

OP - here is my advice. You have a 4 year old - you are at the very very very beginning of a journey! You will find a few mums you click with - just keep being friendly and reemember people have bad days/ they are not their best all the time/ plenty of people are nervous as well

One mum I had totally filed as really unfriendly - I discovered after two years via someone else that this poor mum is cripplingly shy to the point of being unable to make eye contact. I felt terrible about my assumption.

ZeldaFighter · 14/03/2022 22:48

My most treasured friends are all either neighbours or "school mums" in the sense of making friends because we have children the same age.

Be friendly and approachable, smile and be positive, open and welcoming. Remember people's names or apologise if you can't.

Friendship takes time and effort - if you think someone is a person you would like to spend more time with, put the effort in. Invite them for a coffee - at home or or out - or suggest a shopping trip together.

Good luck 👍

ZeldaFighter · 14/03/2022 22:50

Yes, same here, I enjoy seeing familiar faces at the school gate. At the end of Y6, I was as sad at not seeing the same families at school events as anything else!

Clarabe1 · 14/03/2022 22:54

Why do feel the need to be friends with these people? If they are being rude to ignore them and find your friends elsewhere. You are worth that that op- balls to them.

bluebell34567 · 14/03/2022 23:20

Stop giving a shit and be yourself and don't try too hard.

exactly this.

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