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To think I can’t parent a tween?

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TweenTrauma · 09/03/2022 23:36

Advice and support needed please. I have a dd who will be 12 in the summer, in year 7 of secondary school.

She is my second child, my eldest is now nearly 18 and honestly parenting her has been a breeze, she’s always been so loving and I never had any of the usual teenage problems, she’s always telling me how much she loves me and is generally just so appreciative of everything I do for her. I really thought I had this parenting thing NAILED. I’m a single parent and they have different fathers, DD1 sees her dad EOW but DD2 doesn’t see hers and hasn’t since she was a baby (as ordered by the courts as he’s an evil sack of shit).

DD2 has always been hard work. She was the baby that didn’t sleep, the toddler who had endless tantrums for the sake of it, and it’s carried on a bit like that. I know this sounds like I don’t like her but I love her to bits and although she’s always been more challenging than DD1, if anything she’s had more attention as she’s demanded it whereas DD1 is very passive, and also I guess I’ve always been trying to compensate for being her only parent.

Since she started secondary, DD2 has become pretty unbearable. She is rude, constantly, has absolutely no respect for me at all, lies about anything and everything. Every time I try and speak to her it’s met with a load of lip and attitude. She is literally only ever pleasant when she wants something. Both of my DC are diagnosed with ASD and DD1 has always struggled socially, DD2 never had many friends in primary either but she seems pretty popular at secondary. I was really pleased about this, but now I’m thinking it’s more of a curse as the friends she has all seem to be little terrors. Not that I’m saying they have led dd2 astray as she’s just as bad as they are. Pretty much every day I’m getting emails from various teachers at school saying that she’s been misbehaving, showing disrespect to the teachers and stopping other kids from getting on with learning as despite repeated requests to behave she just carries on. Basically behaving the exact same way that she does at home. I have spoken to her about this many times and she just doesn’t give a shit, she says that being naughty is fun and she doesn’t want to be a ‘goody two shoes’.

She’s been put on report twice in the last few weeks and that didn’t help at all, so now the school have moved on to a behaviour management plan. I don’t anticipate that really helping either, because she just doesn’t care.

So tonight I told her that the next time the school emails me about her behaviour she will lose her phone for 3 days, that having a phone is a privilege not a right, and if she can’t behave in a mature way then she’s not mature enough for a phone. Cue major tantrum, and “well I won’t let you take it”, all the usual shit. Her phone is the only thing she truly cares about it so it’s the one way I can hit her where it hurts.

Her special interest is horses and I bust my balls so that she has her own pony, it costs me a fortune that I can’t really afford and we spend at least 2 hours up at the yard every day, so we have that ‘quality’ time together (inverted commas because she’s still just as unpleasant and snarky when we’re there). And I take her off competing usually twice a month. It’s really tempting to take that away from her as she doesn’t deserve it at the moment, but at the same time it’s the one thing getting her away from her phone/going to hang around in parks with her mates, so I think actually it’s really important to keep that focus there to channel her into something positive.

Sorry this is turning out to be long! I would really appreciate any advice on how to turn this around with her, please don’t attack me for where I’m going wrong, I’m sure I’ve made mistakes but I have been on my own with her her whole life and many years of that recovering from the ordeal that her father put me/us through, so yes I probably did take the path of least resistance as I was literally at rock bottom mentally and had no resistance there, and it’s come back to bite me on the arse now.

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Babadook76 · 09/03/2022 23:46

I’m sorry if this sounds abrupt op, but she’s a spoilt shit with no boundaries, and you’ve completely failed her. Any one of the ‘minor’ incidents you’ve mentioned would have earned her a total ban with her phone for at least 6-12 months with me, along with other disciplines, including being grounded and losing her horse if the behaviour continued after a few months if not weeks. She’s acting up at home, she’s aggressive, she’s rude and tells lies. You’re getting multiple emails from her teachers, she’s ruining her friends education and needs a behaviour management plan because of her nasty attitude. And your response to this disgusting behaviour is to obsess and hand wring over taking her phone away for 3 days! Are you scared of her?

Scrunchcake · 09/03/2022 23:57

@Babadook76

I’m sorry if this sounds abrupt op, but she’s a spoilt shit with no boundaries, and you’ve completely failed her. Any one of the ‘minor’ incidents you’ve mentioned would have earned her a total ban with her phone for at least 6-12 months with me, along with other disciplines, including being grounded and losing her horse if the behaviour continued after a few months if not weeks. She’s acting up at home, she’s aggressive, she’s rude and tells lies. You’re getting multiple emails from her teachers, she’s ruining her friends education and needs a behaviour management plan because of her nasty attitude. And your response to this disgusting behaviour is to obsess and hand wring over taking her phone away for 3 days! Are you scared of her?
Wow, what an appalling response. Saying OP has totally failed her daughter. Did you read the final paragraph of the post.

OP, I'm sure someone more helpful will be along with suggestions but I couldn't read and run. It sounds really tough and it's such a hard age. Is there anyone at school in pastoral care or parent support (or SEND, given your daughter's diagnosis) you could meet with to talk things through? Hang on in there.

TweenTrauma · 09/03/2022 23:59

No I’m not scared of her at all but I know I am too soft, I hate confrontation and always have done, and there’s literally never been any need for confrontation with my first child so I guess I’ve tried to parent dd2 in the same style but it’s really backfired on me.

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AliceW89 · 10/03/2022 00:00

I think you should ask for advice on the SEN board. I’m not sure you’ll get answers here beyond people telling you your kid is a shit and I think the friendly, knowledgeable people over there will at least be able to advise you if the requirements around her ASD provisions are being met.

TweenTrauma · 10/03/2022 00:06

@Scrunchcake thanks, yes she’s on the SEN register and I have regular chats with her lovely head of year, but despite me and the school encouraging her to change her behaviour she just pushes back and gets worse. She says ‘all her friends’ are just as bad at school, if not worse, and that’s her justification for continuing to misbehave.

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TweenTrauma · 10/03/2022 00:08

@AliceW89 good idea, thanks. Although I’m slightly sceptical that this is down to ASD as her sister is also autistic and I’ve never had anything like this from her. But it’s possible, if her friends really are as naughty as she says then maybe there’s an element of mirroring behaviour there.

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felulageller · 10/03/2022 00:18

You can't separate this from her ASD. 2 ASD DC's are just as different as 2 NT DC's.

Is she acting like her dad? Sometimes the apple doesn't fall far from the tree.

Contact the local ASD support group for advice.

TweenTrauma · 10/03/2022 00:25

@felulageller interesting that you say that. It’s something I’ve really not wanted to give too much headspace to but yes, her behaviour is very much like her fathers. He’s a diagnosed psychopath and lied compulsively about everything. Dd2 has no regard for anyone other than herself, recently she completely ruined my birthday with her behaviour and couldn’t even bring herself to wish me a happy birthday. I had an evening out and spent the whole evening on the phone bollocking her for various things which became apparent as the evening wore on. My friend had been nice enough to buy a present and a card for her to give to me, I knew they had done this. I had to ask three times for her to give me the present, and I never got the card, that’s still sitting in her room unused. I guess writing in that was too much effort for her. It was a kick in the teeth after everything I do for her.

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TweenTrauma · 10/03/2022 00:28

Even dd1 said to me earlier today (after she realised that dd2 had been in her room, eaten every single one of the red haribos in the big tub that she has, no other colours, and stolen her eyelash curlers which dd2 is now completely denying) “have you considered that dd2 is a psychopath”. I actually have considered that Sad

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XelaM · 10/03/2022 00:32

OP - I was just about to start a similar thread about my 12-year-old!

I'm also a single parent and she has no contact with her dad. I'm not rich by any stretch, but as she's my only child, I tried to give her everything- she's in private school, has an actual bloody pony, lots of pets at home (including a dog that she had been beginning me for but is of course my responsibility) and she does absolutely NOTHING in the house, would not even lift a finger to boil the kettle, her room is a constant tip (almost immediately after I tidy it), she couldn't care less about school work, always has an attitude and is constantly prickly and in a bad mood towards me. Grrr!!! My words have absolutely zero meaning to her, we are having the same arguments over and over again over exactly the same things only for her to behave exactly the same the very next day.

No advice but my sympathies!

TweenTrauma · 10/03/2022 00:34

@XelaM wow we are leading parallel lives! Except for the private school, although there’s a state boarding school which is very good nearby and is a lot stricter than the school she’s at which is looking bloody tempting at the moment. Solidarity.

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jeaux90 · 10/03/2022 00:40

I have a DD12 with ASD and ADHD.

She has masked and mimicked for years and she inevitably finds this exhausting when she gets home and so I do get the brunt of it.

What has been a bit better is her being in a small all girls school. Small class sizes so she doesn't find it and the noise overwhelming.

I'm also a single mum. Her father is a sociopath and a narcissist.

He is definitely ND and I would say the reason why he is like that is because there were no consequences when he was growing up. He was spoiled and put on a pedestal. (He's not been in her life since she was 2)

I definitely take her phone off her, and the iPad there needs to be consequences. Otherwise I'm afraid she'll turn out like her father too. But I don't stop her doing her sports.

I'm considering some counselling for mine to try and help her manage her anger but it's never spilled over at school since she been at the new place.

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