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To feel sad his dad couldn't even come to CiN meeting?

42 replies

Somethingblew · 08/03/2022 13:44

Name change but regular.

My son's dad and I separated and divorced two years ago. He has him two nights a week and all day on a Saturday. Our son has additional needs and has gone through an awful lot since starting school in September, he is now 5.

At the end of last year DS disclosed to his school that his dad had hurt him. The school passed this info to me and asked me what I wanted to do about it. I told them it surely wasn't my decision to make and that they should follow their own safeguarding procedures.

As such, both ex and I have been assessed by a child protection social worker. It was determined that if ex had hurt DS it wasn't intentional but possibly by restraining him when my son wasn't able to regulate himself. I agree with this - I don't think it was done intentionally.

SW has been assessing us independently, with one visit to his dad and several to me and DS, and proposed a Child in Need plan to help my son access further support. I agreed to this.

As part of ex's assessment he told SW that my communication was poor, I withheld important information from him and that I was aggressive when he didn't "fall in line". I told the SW that I constantly provide ex with relevant updates, try to include him on important decision making but get told "I've no idea, you sort it, you've got this!" if I'm lucky enough to get a response at all.

First CiN meeting was today, and ex didn't attend. According to SW he has tried contacting him several times ansnhad no response. School verified that this is their experience- he complained to school that he wasn't being kept updated on important things, and then they've tried to engage him to discuss it and he has gone AWOL. He told the school he had no idea our son was even going through the EHCP process, so I sent the school screenshots of the numerous times I have told my ex about this.

But yeah, he didn't attend today. And what irked me most is that the SW made excuses for him to who will be our new SW, saying "he is a very busy man, working full time in the city". I had to bite my tongue to stop from saying he is working an entry level job and the meeting was scheduled for lunch time, and that I managed to pull myself away from my senior management role in the civil service for long enough to engage in an important meeting about my son WHILST MY SON WAS AT HOME WITH ME TOO. He literally doesn't go to school two days a week cos he and the school can't cope. So I'm working and looking after my child (work are aware) whilst he yet again shirks his responsibilities and has excuses made for him. Despite the fact this whole mess was triggered by his inability to remain calm and controlled when our son has a meltdown.

I don't know what I want from this thread but just to vent. He had the audacity to complain about my communications when he just ignores everything important about our son. He has never taken him to speech therapy, to the paediatrician, to any doctor appointments for other medical issues, doesn't do school runs, no engagement with therapies or EHCP, and hasn't ever been visited by SW with our son there. I'm fed up of him.

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anon12345anon · 08/03/2022 13:51

He sounds like a complete cunt.

Lucky your son has you Flowers

Just out of interest, why did you bite your tongue?

Choppingonions · 08/03/2022 13:53

That is beyond aggravating.

VimFuego101 · 08/03/2022 13:55

I would have said it rather than biting my tongue. You're very restrained.

GraffitiNob · 08/03/2022 13:56

I wish you'd not held your tongue. That was very unreasonable of them to say that about him. Please do point this out at the next meeting. What a cunt he is.

SparklingLime · 08/03/2022 13:57

That is very inappropriate and unprofessional of the SW. Their focus is meant to be firmly with the child, not making excuses for any adult.

Somethingblew · 08/03/2022 14:01

Should also add that my son is adopted, so we have plenty of experiences with social workers and also have a post-adoption Social Worker. This one however from today's meeting has been the ONLY one I have felt has my son's best interest at heart and was willing to go into battle for him, so I am really disappointed. I'm wondering whether I should email the new SW he is handing over to, to express my feelings.

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Calennig · 08/03/2022 14:02

Maybe not bite your tongue next time but politely say what you said here.

It does sound very frustrating - I've no idea why our society sets the bar for father's so bloody low.

Theunamedcat · 08/03/2022 14:04

Biting your tongue at the time was probably wise a lot of social workers will criticise you if you had spoken up for saying bad things about the father in front of the child but perhaps during a future meeting you can point out (when your child is not around obviously) that you managed to take time out of work and caring responsibilities and perhaps he should prioritise appropriately

Fwiw my ex tried this I said I reminded him the first time he said I was nagging him and should get over it because we are getting a divorce so I didn't tell him again the person running the meeting said well played and directed the social worker to remind him herself next time she looked really thrilled with that task

Somethingblew · 08/03/2022 14:06

My son just deserves so much better than this useless lump of a man.

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AHungryCaterpillar · 08/03/2022 14:12

I actually think op should have bit her tongue so was right for that bad mouthing the other
Parent won’t go down well with ss

Theunamedcat · 08/03/2022 14:12

@Somethingblew

My son just deserves so much better than this useless lump of a man.
True but you cannot express that to them it will be held against you
lunar1 · 08/03/2022 14:15

Bloody hell, people have low standards for men don't they. I'm guessing he managed to make all the important adoption meetings despite his very important man job.

I'd be glad he didn't show up, let everyone see his true colours.

Somethingblew · 08/03/2022 14:21

Oh he didn't have this very important man job back then, that was a whole 4 years ago so was at least 8 or 9 jobs ago...

I refuse to badmouth him in the slightest for the reasons pointed out in this thread. Everyone involved has agreed he is difficult to pin down (school especially, who said in the meeting "his default is to go on the defensive and make himself the victim"). I caveated every comment about his poor communication with "he is not a bad father and loves our son very much". And the only reason I commented at all is because it is an action point in the CiN plan for the SWs to help us both find a way forward with communication.

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Russell19 · 08/03/2022 14:27

Is it your choice for him to be home schooled 2 days a week?

Somethingblew · 08/03/2022 14:45

@Russell19 no he was put on a part-time timetable by the school and has been pretty much since he started. I had to consent to it, but given he was clearly not coping and the school were telling me they were not able to meet his needs full-time (nor part-time really), it wasn't much of a choice.

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Imitatingdory · 08/03/2022 14:48

I can see why he is an ex.

When was DS 5? If it was last term (i.e. he is now CSA) the LA have a statutory duty to provide him with alternative education if he cannot attend school full time.

Imitatingdory · 08/03/2022 14:48

Posted too soon.

Where are you in the EHCP process? Are the LA sticking to the timescales?

Somethingblew · 08/03/2022 14:51

@imitatingdory thats harder to put into action because even though they do have a responsibility, they say there is a full time space at school for him and its my choice to keep him off (because I've consented to it). Despite the fact it isn't much of a choice if I want to do right by my child and the school are telling me they can't cope.

We are at the final stages, co-production meeting happened last week and should hear back from a SEN provision this week if they feel they can meet his needs :)

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UndertheCedartree · 08/03/2022 14:51

My DC's dad used to come to CiN meetings but never engaged or said a word. He came for a while then stopped. SW has never said anything. If I'm even late they are on my back! He was praised so much for looking after the DC, me nothing! Women ar expected to get on with it but dad's are heroes just for looking after their own DC,!

LittleOwl153 · 08/03/2022 14:54

Can you use one fo those court recommended parenting apps - so he cannot say he did not get the information? Just incase it comes back to haunt you at some stage. Everything in 1 place then too?

But yeah - poor kid. And well done to you for keeping it all together!

Somethingblew · 08/03/2022 14:55

@underthecedartree I'm sorry you've had a similar experience!

What frustrates me most is that all of this is around his inability to cope with DS. I've been so engaged with SS from the beginning of the adoption, attending parenting courses and learning all about my son's needs to the extent where our home life is actually calm, happy and fun - which is a completely different picture to how he is at school and with his dad. But because his dad couldn't cope and stay calm he ends up hurting our child and triggering child protection interventions. I'm curious that he couldn't engage enough to just admit he was struggling (i asked him about this numerous times in the build up to all this as I could see it and continued to offer support and advice and said he was too rough with DS).

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WorraLiberty · 08/03/2022 14:57

I had to bite my tongue to stop from saying he is working an entry level job and the meeting was scheduled for lunch time, and that I managed to pull myself away from my senior management role in the civil service for long enough to engage in an important meeting about my son WHILST MY SON WAS AT HOME WITH ME TOO.

Why did you bite your tongue?

Pointing out the truth is not 'badmouthing' him.

Imitatingdory · 08/03/2022 14:58

If DS is CSA and cannot attend school full time because he cannot cope and the LA refuse to provide alternative education under s.19, the Education Act 1996 you can force them to. Whether you consented to it or not is irrelevant if DS cannot cope with full time at school. Email the LA’s Director of Children’s Services threatening Judicial Review. Usually the threat works. Then if they continue to refuse contact SOSSEN for help with a pre-action letter.

Or if you think DS can cope with school but the school won’t allow DS to attend full time don’t allow them to continue to illegally exclude DS. Whether you consent to it or not part time timetables such as the one DS is on is unlawful. Complain and inform the school DS will be attending full time unless they formally exclude him. Then complain to the LA as it is them responsible for ensuring DS receives a full time education. If the school continue you may have a case for Disability Discrimination.

Make sure the LA finalise within 20 weeks.

Somethingblew · 08/03/2022 14:59

@WorraLiberty I know, but it's hard to judge whats appropriate infront of social workers and my son, and it just comes across as bitter - "well I work full time in am important job and have my son here with me today and I still managed to attend". Better safe than sorry I guess.

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iRun2eatCake · 08/03/2022 15:01

I think that what the school is doing is illegal exclusion. Who do you have supporting you in the Education meetings?

I wouldn't have a meeting without my IASS worker there

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