CF parking thread 🙄

[Amaranth22]

Recently bought a house which came with parking on deeds. Was told by existing residents that there is a “gentleman’s agreement” between them that parking has been shuffled around and I should parking in x space (the space I park in is not registered to anyone) I’ve attached a diagram as it’s way too complicated to explain without!

So as you can see from diagram houses 1,2,6 and 7 now benefit from single parking spaces, whilst I get a tandem, closer to my house (fine, it’s more convenient in that sense).

When I bought the house I obtained a letter from house owner no2 protecting me from adverse possession upon request of solicitors.

House no3 has recently sold but is still in a relationship with house no7 🙄. They have allocated spaces of their own but previous owner of house no3 (the CF) is parking in my deed spot for hours and hours almost every day.

No2 are tenants and won’t say anything to him (I can’t blame them, I think he could be quite nasty) but it’s getting on my nerves especially as no7 and old no3 are the first to dictate proper parking.

Old no3 knows this is my deed space and I have asked him why he is parking there before. He said it was easier for him and would only be until he moved.
I always thought he started parking there so he could carry on when he moved and would be seen as normal by others... guess I was bang on.

Anyway, what would you do?

You have a very similar parking situation to me, for years it was fine until houses started being sold or rented out. Now everyone has to park in their own allocated spaces with no ifs or buts. It became way too complicated and some houses claimed to own 4/5 spaces!
I would suggest you park in your allocated space and everyone else can do what they like! A gentleman's agreement does not overwrite housing deeds!

It looks like a sensible arrangement if it works. All the houses get 2 parking spaces, rather than 1 and taking a chance on another being available.

@SpiderinaWingMirror

It looks like a sensible arrangement if it works. All the houses get 2 parking spaces, rather than 1 and taking a chance on another being available.

Well it only works if people stick to it which the CF is not!

@SpiderinaWingMirror

It looks like a sensible arrangement if it works. All the houses get 2 parking spaces, rather than 1 and taking a chance on another being available.

In theory but it also means that three houses are parking solely on unregistered land, which is officially public highway.

So there are “general” parking spaces for visitors but residents use these instead of the spaces on the deeds? So basically you’ve all taken over the general spaces so why wouldn’t a visitor park in an owned spot. It appears the gentleman’s agreement has taken ownership of spaces that don’t belong to others so has created this issue. I don’t think they’re that cheeky to be honest. It’s cheeky that home owners have taken over the visitor spots.

@NeedAHoliday2021

So there are “general” parking spaces for visitors but residents use these instead of the spaces on the deeds? So basically you’ve all taken over the general spaces so why wouldn’t a visitor park in an owned spot. It appears the gentleman’s agreement has taken ownership of spaces that don’t belong to others so has created this issue. I don’t think they’re that cheeky to be honest. It’s cheeky that home owners have taken over the visitor spots.

There’s no visitor spots.

Park in the spaces that are on the deeds for your house. You do not have to let anyone else use them at all - not even number 2.

Send a note to all your neighbours - With immediate effect I will be using the parking space allocated to me in accordance with the deeds. Any agreement you may have had with previous neighbours was with them and not me and as such is no longer valid. I am sure you will all appreciate my reasoning behind this.

Then if they have a problem the onus is on then to prove they have an actual legal right to park there which they don't

Park in your own spots
Its a car park why do you need to park your cars next to each other?

So who originally had the “general” spots on their deeds?

I don’t really see why you care, you’ve accepted somebody else is parking there so what does it matter who it is provided you get the other spaces.

Yes, sorry, this is what I meant when I said it's only your problem if you want the space back, otherwise it's 2's circus.

Also - he is a visitor to number 7 and no longer lives there so surely there's no issue with claiming possession of the space? Or is it 7 who stole your garden?

The only sensible way out of this is that everyone uses their deed spots.

@SeasonFinale

Park in the spaces that are on the deeds for your house. You do not have to let anyone else use them at all - not even number 2.

Send a note to all your neighbours - With immediate effect I will be using the parking space allocated to me in accordance with the deeds. Any agreement you may have had with previous neighbours was with them and not me and as such is no longer valid. I am sure you will all appreciate my reasoning behind this.

Then if they have a problem the onus is on then to prove they have an actual legal right to park there which they don't

I’d do this. Excellent advice.

If I read correctly

You are happy with the unofficial agreement where you get 2 spots.

For some reason you are annoyed that former No. 3 who visits No. 7 doesn't use No. 7 spots but instead uses your official spot which is per the unofficial agreement is for No. 2.

Not sure how it's impacting you? Surely its for No. 2 to ask him to move his car if No. 2 wants to use the space?

Regardless the whole arrangement sounds really dodgy and likely to breakdown as soon as someone sells or new tenants come in. Best to probably just revert to your one space and using the public highway area as additional parking first come first serve (no tandem blocking in of other residents).

@NeedAHoliday2021

So who originally had the “general” spots on their deeds?

It’s just land. These were not parking spots on deeds.

@LampLighter414

If I read correctly

You are happy with the unofficial agreement where you get 2 spots.

For some reason you are annoyed that former No. 3 who visits No. 7 doesn't use No. 7 spots but instead uses your official spot which is per the unofficial agreement is for No. 2.

Not sure how it's impacting you? Surely its for No. 2 to ask him to move his car if No. 2 wants to use the space?

Regardless the whole arrangement sounds really dodgy and likely to breakdown as soon as someone sells or new tenants come in. Best to probably just revert to your one space and using the public highway area as additional parking first come first serve (no tandem blocking in of other residents).

Pretty much yes! As when I first moved it was no7 who told me where I could and couldn’t park as per “gentleman’s agreement” but then thinks it’s okay to have her own rules.

@BulletTrain

I don’t really see why you care, you’ve accepted somebody else is parking there so what does it matter who it is provided you get the other spaces.

Yes, sorry, this is what I meant when I said it's only your problem if you want the space back, otherwise it's 2's circus.

Also - he is a visitor to number 7 and no longer lives there so surely there's no issue with claiming possession of the space? Or is it 7 who stole your garden?

He use to own the house next to me and built a concrete block over part of my garden and claimed as his own. Yes visitor at the moment to number 7 but could very well move in there and then I’d have a problem

I think you should just park in your allocated spaces as per deed. Let your neighbours know you're reverting to your proper space and just do it. Then there's no doubt about who parks where.

Also, you have really nice handwriting and it's an excellent diagram.

Why don't you just park in space #4, which is yours? If #2 aren't using it, and nobody would be using your unofficial tandem space, surely that solves the issue until the CF parker stops coming around. And...you do own it.

I suppose my only concern would be what if you were lose the ability to park on that unregistered land for whatever reason? Is it council owned? Could it ever be built on?

Might it be possible for the residents as a group to approach the council about buying that parcel of land for parking? It would obviously cost a fair bit but then it would clarify matters and could only help your house price.

Was this all explained prior to completion? Is this was the adverse possession letter you mentioned was concerned with?

@RincewindsHat

Why don't you just park in space #4, which is yours? If #2 aren't using it, and nobody would be using your unofficial tandem space, surely that solves the issue until the CF parker stops coming around. And...you do own it.

True.... but CF will just be a CF in the tandem space and claim as his own. Then one house will end up with 4 spaces which isn’t fair either. I think I’m going to raise this with the committee, there is a management company and a covenant attached to deeds. The result I want is that people either stick to the gentleman’s agreement or everyone go back to the deed spaces and the rest, including no7 second space is “free-for-all”

@Sillybeagle

I suppose my only concern would be what if you were lose the ability to park on that unregistered land for whatever reason? Is it council owned? Could it ever be built on?

Might it be possible for the residents as a group to approach the council about buying that parcel of land for parking? It would obviously cost a fair bit but then it would clarify matters and could only help your house price.

Was this all explained prior to completion? Is this was the adverse possession letter you mentioned was concerned with?

We all have shares in the land and it’s run by a management committee. It’s too complicated unfortunately and there is no way I’m relinquishing my deed spot to add value to others houses, especially as they would have x2 spaces then.

Yes, all explained prior to completion and I got the letter from no2 acknowledging that I own it and they borrow it. But with no7 visitor parking here, my letter doesn’t mean anything anymore! My mortgage only scraped through because the letter was produced

Stop worrying about what everyone else is doing. Put a pollard on your space and keep it for your sole use. What everyone else does is their business.

@NeedAHoliday2021

So there are “general” parking spaces for visitors but residents use these instead of the spaces on the deeds? So basically you’ve all taken over the general spaces so why wouldn’t a visitor park in an owned spot. It appears the gentleman’s agreement has taken ownership of spaces that don’t belong to others so has created this issue. I don’t think they’re that cheeky to be honest. It’s cheeky that home owners have taken over the visitor spots.

This.

Tho CF is a CF is he's previously advocated for the agreement

There's obviously debate, disagreement and CFery about parking spaces. The people involved have previously played underhand with the concreting over of land that belongs to no 4.

I think you'd be crackers not to revert to using your allocated space.
Tell others that your concerned about the amount of discord the situation is causing so have decided you're going to use your own space from now on to avoid any potential conflict.
Let them sort out the rest between them.

Just seen your post re the ownership of this extra land. Where do visitors park? Are these the only spaces?

I would want the arrangement formalised or I'd revert back to the deed parking