It’s a driving/pedestrian one!!!!!! And yes I have drawn a plan [smile]

[UggyPow]

So I’ll set the scene, rush hour, very busy northern train station, classified as a village but if it is it’s a big village. The last stop where you can get the cheaper tickets to the big town for being in the ‘zone’. Lots of schools Primary & Secondary & Private so school traffic as well.
Car coming down the hill turning right, lights on their left on red, lots of people on the crossing as a train has just arrived in the station. Car starts to move, turning right & a pedestrian walks around the barrier & out into the road into the gridded keep clear section they meet in the middle but the driver has already stopped the pedestrian has continued walking regardless & the pedestrian gives the driver of the car a torrent of abuse citing the new Highway Code rules
YANBU - the rules don’t just mean pedestrians can walk anywhere into the road.
YABU - the new rules mean pedestrians can cross wherever they want to (even if there is a crossing right by the train station steps)

The rules aren’t for pedestrians. The rules are for drivers.

If you’re driving and you’re turning, you give way. And that was the case before the “new rules”.

Doesn’t mean the pedestrian wasn’t being a massive arsehole though.

The pedestrian walked right through the middle of the junction? Seems like a stupid thing to do, and also not related to the new rules, as the car wasn’t turning on to the road the pedestrian was on, the pedestrian was walking across a junction (if I’ve understood correctly).

If I've understood you right, the driver shouldn't have been going because they couldn't exit the box.

If I haven't though, the pedestrian was still in the right, whether or not it's sensible to go then.

Pedestrian is crackers and should not have walked into middle of box junction when a car had begun to turn already

If the car is turning right, and the traffic is queuing because of lights to the left then entering the yellow box is fine surely as your exit is clear (because the traffic in the queue is going the other way?) or have I misunderstood?

The rules about pedestrians in roads are that if you're a car turning off a main road onto a side road, and a pedestrian is crossing / waiting to cross, you should yield as far as I'm aware. Not that a pedestrian can just cross through a central box junction and walk around barriers into the road!

Pedestrian was BU from my understanding of the post, especially as the driver had stopped anyway.

@Badyboo

If I've understood you right, the driver shouldn't have been going because they couldn't exit the box.

If I haven't though, the pedestrian was still in the right, whether or not it's sensible to go then.

I think the exit to the box was clear as they were turning right, so heading away from the traffic lights in OP’s picture, to where there was no queuing traffic.

@Badyboo

If I've understood you right, the driver shouldn't have been going because they couldn't exit the box.

If I haven't though, the pedestrian was still in the right, whether or not it's sensible to go then.

If you’re turning right that’s the one time you can sit in a box junction.

I don’t know but we have a similar issue on one of the roundabouts in our town, there are pedestrian crossings on the exits to a roundabout, usually coordinated with the other traffic lights. Are we now supposed to let the pedestrians cross because they’re waiting, even though their crossing light is on red? It’s causing chaos.

The cat has to stop because there is a pedestrian in the road, that's just what you've got to do. The pedestrian in moving around a barrier put themselves at high risk, the crossing is there for their convenience and safety! The barrier means "don't cross".

If there are coordinated lights with a pedestrian crossing then pedestrians should use those as the lights gain precedence of the flow of all traffic at the junction. The new rules aren't relevant to a light controlled junction where pedestrian traffic is included.

I was the first car sat facing the keep clear box, so saw it all. The car had been stationary & was moving first, the driver stopped in the middle of the road, the pedestrian was literally crossing in the middle of the T junction & had only taken 2/3 steps into the road but continued walking so meet the car in the middle IYSWIM

@ohhooh

If the car is turning right, and the traffic is queuing because of lights to the left then entering the yellow box is fine surely as your exit is clear (because the traffic in the queue is going the other way?) or have I misunderstood?

The rules about pedestrians in roads are that if you're a car turning off a main road onto a side road, and a pedestrian is crossing / waiting to cross, you should yield as far as I'm aware. Not that a pedestrian can just cross through a central box junction and walk around barriers into the road!

Pedestrian was BU from my understanding of the post, especially as the driver had stopped anyway.

You are correct the road is clear for the driver to turn right

They were crossing the road, not at a junction on the road coming to the junction.

Personally I think this rule is crackers, particularly at night, if it is to continue I think it should be illegal to cross a road at night without a light unless it is at a crossing, you can't miss what you can't see.

@Onlyforcake

If there are coordinated lights with a pedestrian crossing then pedestrians should use those as the lights gain precedence of the flow of all traffic at the junction. The new rules aren't relevant to a light controlled junction where pedestrian traffic is included.

This is what I think too, but it’s not what’s happening on the roundabout I’m thinking of. Some people are having to stop on the roundabout because pedestrians are just walking straight out ignoring the lights.