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Why is zombie apocalypse a thing?

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Orangade · 23/02/2022 13:36

Where did it come from?

Why do we not talk about a werewolf apocalypse? Or a giant spider apocalypse? Or a man-eating lizard apocalypse?

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Thatsplentyjack · 23/02/2022 16:30

Werewolves only turn into werewolves when there's a full moon. Plus they turn back into humans with all their faculties so most people who knew they were werewolves would lock themselves up for the nights they would turn (well you would hope so).

Butteryflakycrust83 · 23/02/2022 16:32

@thegreenlight

I always think it’s an excuse to see massive violence perpetrated on other human beings with none of the associated guilt. They may look like people and their bodies react to weapons like people but they’re not actually people. They’re the baddies so it’s ok.
Dang....never looked at it like that
Ozanj · 23/02/2022 18:09

@Howeverdoyouneedme

I’d like to hear more about Hinduism and space travel.
Its based around the concept of Vimana. In ancient Hindu texts the advanced civilisation of Lanka had flying chariots and these were used to travel to another planet. The Vimana’s concept is similar to a spaceship right down to propulsion - so it seems in some parts of ancient India where what we now know as Hinduism was followed there was theoretical knowledge about how to fly even if they couldn’t actually do it. It makes sense considering that our foundational mathematical knowledge comes from what is now modern day India / Pakistan / Afghanistan.
Ozanj · 23/02/2022 18:20

@Pedalpushers

We did a whole lecture at uni about how unrealistic the 28 days later zombie apocalypse was using examples of known viruses and their epidemiology. It was the most interesting thing in my whole degree!
Uni courses tend to underplay this sigificantly. The idea of the dead reanimated is unrealistic, sure. But we already have ‘zombie’ / monster type illnesses and their combinations - eg leprosy and rabies both had outbreaks seperately but it was also not unusual to see them together. Ancient diseases were brutal which is why many ancient religions focus(sed) on hygiene.
Ozanj · 23/02/2022 18:28

@CoverYourselfInChocolateGlory

Didn't the zombie legend originate in Haiti as part of voodoo culture? I thought it was a specific concept from the experiences of enslaved African populations. It has its roots in ancient fears of being buried alive and the dead returning - much more powerful and central to the human experience than werewolves or giant spiders.
The concept of the reanimation of the dead is ancient in Africa and Asia. Far older than the origins of Europe and definitely European slavery. The concept of Zombies, voodoo etc, was brought to Haiti and then altered like many things were to fit the local population there. To give you a non-theological example: Jamaican roti vs North Indian paratha.
AmadeustheAlpaca · 23/02/2022 18:40

@Ozanj that’s very interesting about ancient Hindu beliefs. I’d always thought that astronomy, science and maths developed in Sumerian and Babylonian times in the Middle East, though that could have been concurrent with developments in the Indian sub continent How did the caste system develop with some people born as untouchables? Regarding the zombie apocalypse Nostradamus predicted that the dead will rise in 2038. I’m getting on a bit but will hopefully be around to see what happens then.

FatFredsFriedEgg · 23/02/2022 18:44

You don't get a Zombie Apocalypse from a few voodoo zombies though. It has to be a zombie virus pandemic to qualify as a a Zombie Apocalypse.

ThatsNotMyGolem · 23/02/2022 18:49

I hate the whole zombie cultural phenomenon. People who get into it are pathetic.

gamerchick · 23/02/2022 18:54

@ThatsNotMyGolem

I hate the whole zombie cultural phenomenon. People who get into it are pathetic.
Absolutely. It's on the level of men who like playing with shit like lego.
SometimesRavenSometimesParrot · 23/02/2022 18:55

This thread has reminded me how annoyed I am about the origin of the Walking Dead zombies

AmadeustheAlpaca · 23/02/2022 19:14

I read somewhere that zombies were “real” in that they were created by drugging an unfortunate individual and forcing them to work as a doped up slave for the black magician or whoever it was drugged them.

Redannie118 · 23/02/2022 19:43

There was a huge resurgance of zombie movies in the 80s due to the very real threat of an actual apocalypse due to nuclear war. Watching something fictional with a hint of ridiculousness helped people process the fear and helplessness they felt about the Cold war. In turn, Cold war children grew up and carried this trauma with them, which in turn resulted in the next generation re igniting the genre with movies like 28 days later. All genres of horror tap into a baseline fear, ie the boogeyman, monsters under the bed, ghosts, whatever. Horror helps you handle that fear and face it in a safe enviroment where you are in control. These genres slip in and out of fashion with advances in science and understanding of the world around us due to education, but some are so deeply wired into the human psyche its impossible to let it go. As humans we are pack animals. We live in families and social groups and the idea that everything we love can be swept away in an instant and there is nothing we can do to stop it is utterly horrifying. We will never see werewolves or huge spiders, but we are living through a global pandemic that killed millions, shut down society and changed the world in a horrifyingly short space of time. In the olden days at times like this people would have looked to religion for comfort and answers. Today they look at movies. That doesnt make them pathetic @ThatsNotMyGolem.

Sparklesocks · 23/02/2022 20:37

gamerchick

ThatsNotMyGolem
I hate the whole zombie cultural phenomenon. People who get into it are pathetic.

Absolutely. It's on the level of men who like playing with shit like lego.

What about adults who like gaming? Or is it only interests you don’t have that are shit Grin

caranations · 23/02/2022 20:41

I blame Simon Pegg and Nick Frost.

gamerchick · 23/02/2022 20:42

@Sparklesocks

gamerchick

ThatsNotMyGolem
I hate the whole zombie cultural phenomenon. People who get into it are pathetic.

Absolutely. It's on the level of men who like playing with shit like lego.

What about adults who like gaming? Or is it only interests you don’t have that are shit Grin

Heh Grin
Stealhsquirrelnutkin · 23/02/2022 20:42

The older, original, Vampire stories like Dracula seemed to be tied to suppressed sexual desire. In a time when table legs were kept modestly covered, and naice ladies didn't open their bedroom windows wide and recline on their beds in lacy, off the shoulder negligees, awaiting the arrival of their demon lovers.

In the same way I sometimes wonder if perhaps the current fascination with zombies is connected to the rise of homelessness in the USA, with better off people being forced to step over and avoid drug damaged, hopeless fellow citizens, who have fallen through the social safety net?

Perhaps the combination of anger, pity and guilt triggered by dodging scary people and trying not to step in their faeces on your way to work makes people extra receptive to a fantasy world where ordinary, every day people morph into lurching monsters intent on feasting on your tasty brains?

There may be something cathartic about being obliged to blow off their heads with shotguns, or batter them to mush with a shovel. Perhaps it satisfies something inside, and makes it a bit easier to ignore a world that has turned scarier and more cruel since Reagan and successive governments (on both sides of the Atlantic) closed the mental hospitals and cut social security to the bone?

Orangade · 23/02/2022 21:10

This has turned into such a fascinatingly educational thread! Thanks for these informative replies Smile I ‘get’ zombie apocalypses (apocoli?!) much more now!

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Howeverdoyouneedme · 23/02/2022 21:28

That’s very interesting about Hinduism, thank you. I had a Google too.

Ozanj · 24/02/2022 10:51

[quote AmadeustheAlpaca]@Ozanj that’s very interesting about ancient Hindu beliefs. I’d always thought that astronomy, science and maths developed in Sumerian and Babylonian times in the Middle East, though that could have been concurrent with developments in the Indian sub continent How did the caste system develop with some people born as untouchables? Regarding the zombie apocalypse Nostradamus predicted that the dead will rise in 2038. I’m getting on a bit but will hopefully be around to see what happens then.[/quote]
The civilisations in India were considered ancient by sumerian and babylonian standards and latest archeological research and natural events supports this. But yes it is widely considered true that considering how advanced the Indus Valley and Punjab valley ruins were (plumbing, cotton production) the flow of information must have come from India to Sumeria.

MorningStarling · 24/02/2022 11:00

The reason people talk about a zombie apocalypse and not a werewolf apocalypse is quite simple, zombies are a real thing and werewolves are not. Werewolves are from folklore, they are not real. Zombies are real, they already exist in the animal world and there's no reason to assume that they won't eventually transfer to humans.

Zombies as in animated corpses are fictional of course, only living creatures can become zombies, usually via exposure to a virus/chemical.

Orangade · 24/02/2022 12:11

@MorningStarling

The reason people talk about a zombie apocalypse and not a werewolf apocalypse is quite simple, zombies are a real thing and werewolves are not. Werewolves are from folklore, they are not real. Zombies are real, they already exist in the animal world and there's no reason to assume that they won't eventually transfer to humans.

Zombies as in animated corpses are fictional of course, only living creatures can become zombies, usually via exposure to a virus/chemical.

@MorningStarling what examples are there in the animal world?
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AmadeustheAlpaca · 24/02/2022 17:51

@Ozanj that”s fascinating to know, I wonder how this knowledge developed and why India was so far ahead culturally and technologically compared to other parts of the ancient world. Must do lots of online searches about this.
I realise this is a thread about zombie apocalypses but I love ancient history anomalies.

StormTreader · 24/02/2022 19:08

@AmadeustheAlpaca I suspect @MorningStarling is talking about the fungus that takes over Ants and literally turns them into Ant zombies to spread the fungus spores:
www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2017/11/how-the-zombie-fungus-takes-over-ants-bodies-to-control-their-minds/545864/

StormTreader · 24/02/2022 19:08

Sorry that was actually a reply to @Orangade !

Orangade · 24/02/2022 19:11

@StormTreader

Sorry that was actually a reply to *@Orangade* !
@StormTreader omg that is horrific! Shock
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