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Quit GGing to move to Scouts?

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ToMoveFromGGingOrNot · 23/02/2022 02:07

More trying to get my thoughts together here. I’ve not been able to sleep from thinking about this. Hence the post at 2am.

DD is currently in the GGs, one of the younger two sections but I won’t say which.

She absolutely loves it, has many badges already and talks constantly about going. Always wants to do interest badge work at home.

3 of her classmates used to go with her; one quit due to not liking it, one quit because her parents couldn’t fit it in around their work and the 3rd quit and went to scouts because her brother goes there.

My DN also used to go but had to quit but may rejoin in the future and it’s likely she’d try and join DDs unit if old enough.

She seems absolutely fine without any classmates but always on the peripheral of the actual groups. Most of the other girls talk to her but she’s never for example bought the mascot home as the girl who last had it chooses who it goes home with and they always choose their friends.

She knows some of the girls from school but they’re in a younger year group and there’s a group all from the same class so again she’ll chat to them and join in but is on the peripheral.

She hasn’t asked to stop going and has spent half term doing more badge work happily.

I’m tempted to take her out and put her in scouts but I’m not sure.

Pros

  • She might be with classmates so have something in common (none of them even go to a different GG unit they literally all do either scouts or other activities so when she’s talking about badges at school she says they seem a little bored)
  • Might be able to lift share with classmates who live nearby
  • Getting her to try something new as from what I can read scouts is completely different

Cons

  • She has some SN and compares herself to her classmates, since her classmates left she’s not comparing herself to them, being in a group with classmates could actually knock her confidence but it could help her socially
  • Being able to make friends outside of her class/year seems a benefit to me
  • She’s not actually unhappy and hasn’t asked to do something else – am I pre-empting problems that aren’t there? Is it just because this age can be very cliquey anyway?
  • Has to “start again” when she’s already earned quite a few badges and feels proud of herself
  • She says she has friends at GGing
  • She likes the leaders
  • I’ve already paid out for uniform and subs and sewn the badges onto the uniform
  • Might be harder to get her in, current GGing works around her other activities
  • Her SN means she tires quickly, GGing leaders have been great at working around her SN so she can still fully participate, I’m not sure if scouting will be as inclusive, she may also have to miss the outside parts (which she often does with GGing)
  • No guarentees she’d end up in a group with her classmates anyway
  • School may mix the classes again next year so there might actually be someone from one of the other classes in one of the other units or sections who might become her best friend

For context I never did GG or Scouts, my parents wouldn’t let me (long story) so it’s hard to know which is the best option.

She has other out of school activities but again not with classmates but they do that activity so she does have that in common with them.

So what do people think? I know there’s lots of people here who feel strongly with one organisation or the other, I do not care about that I just want whats best for my DD.

Peoples thoughts are welcome though.

Vote:
YABU – Keep her in GGing
YANBU – See if you can move her to scouts

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Swear · 23/02/2022 10:15

I assumed this would be about the child protection concerns in the Guides. If you're happy with that aspect (but keep a close eye on it) then I'd keep her where she's happy.

ToMoveFromGGingOrNot · 23/02/2022 10:17

@user1471530109

Our cubs pack has more girls than boys Grin. But that matches the school year too.
@user1471530109 Same here, we're a year group of 86, 3 classes; 28, 29 and 29 in each (people have left and classes only got mixed this year)

Over 70% of the year is girls something like 63 girls to 23/24 boys.

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Seeline · 23/02/2022 10:18

As an aside, I assume that you have informed the leader about your DD's SN? I used to help with Brownies and the number of times we weren't told about things was amazing - especially when parents then complained that things weren't working for their DD. Leaders really want to make sure each child has the best experience possible, so need to know these things.

ToMoveFromGGingOrNot · 23/02/2022 10:19

@Swear

I assumed this would be about the child protection concerns in the Guides. If you're happy with that aspect (but keep a close eye on it) then I'd keep her where she's happy.
@Swear I'm aware of the CP concerns but currently not come across any, if it becomes a problem then I will decide on a course of action.
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RonCarlos · 23/02/2022 10:19

I love the Scouts but at this age I am happier to send my DD to guides. I wouldn't not send my DD because she had no close friends. Mine has been to a few outaude groups due to our location compared to her school, and makes friends eventually. She doesn't have SN but I reckon you're over worrying (which I can relate to).

ToMoveFromGGingOrNot · 23/02/2022 10:21

@Seeline

As an aside, I assume that you have informed the leader about your DD's SN? I used to help with Brownies and the number of times we weren't told about things was amazing - especially when parents then complained that things weren't working for their DD. Leaders really want to make sure each child has the best experience possible, so need to know these things.
@Seeline When I filled the forms in I did tell them and when she got updated diagnosis's I told them. It hasn't caused any major issues as far as I can tell, apart from sometimes missing the outside things (particularly if it's cold) or needing a bit longer to work on a particular craft or badge work (she'll happily miss the game played at the end of the meeting to finish off).

She's not autistic, it's more to do with processing and fine motor skills.

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ToMoveFromGGingOrNot · 23/02/2022 10:22

@RonCarlos

I love the Scouts but at this age I am happier to send my DD to guides. I wouldn't not send my DD because she had no close friends. Mine has been to a few outaude groups due to our location compared to her school, and makes friends eventually. She doesn't have SN but I reckon you're over worrying (which I can relate to).
@RonCarlos DD says she has friends at GGing and she likes that her school friends aren't there. I think i was looking at it as an adult and not of the view of a child.
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Frazzled2207 · 23/02/2022 10:23

I also think you’re overthinking.
She seems to be enjoying.
Not sure what the issue is.
Def good to mix with kids outside your normal social circle- this is one of
the reasons I am keen for mine to take part

Unless she is actually unhappy I would just carry on

VestaTilley · 23/02/2022 10:23

No daughter of mine would be allowed in GG now - they allow any male who self IDs as a girl to go on their camping trips, be their pack leaders and they don’t tell the parents.

Not sure how much better Scouts is on this - Google Monica Sulley Nottinghamshire.

Aroundtheworldin80moves · 23/02/2022 10:24

If she's happy leave her. Then when she finishes that section, ask if she'd prefer the activities at Cubs/Scouts or Brownies/guides. They are similar but different.

I have one girl in Cubs and one in Scouts now. Cubs gas more boys than girls (about 60:40 ratio) and Scouts has more girls (about 70:30 ratio). They take from 3 or 4 Primary schools and one Secondary (not sure if they have any from the Private in Scouts, their Beavers feed into our Cubs). Elder DD did Rainbows but preferred Beavers... but that was the old Rainbow programme.

Lindy2 · 23/02/2022 10:28

If she's happy going then I'd stick with it. I'd be speaking to the leaders about fairer ways to hand out the mascot though. If the same girls keep taking it home they need to change that.

Why not put her name down for scouts as well though. My girls did both and enjoyed both. They do very different activities.

Cubs was quite full on as they are mostly boys who were pretty loud and active but my kids had to, despite 1 particularly being fairly shy and quiet.

There might be a waiting list anyway but no reason not to see and perhaps trialling a few sessions.

mumto2teenagers · 23/02/2022 10:28

If she has been doing badge work during the school holiday and seems to enjoy it then I would probably leave her where she is.

Dixiechickonhols · 23/02/2022 10:31

I’d keep up gg (biased I’m a guide leader) It sounds like she’s happy there, leaders are good and she likes them, it’s suitable for her special needs. It’s a positive she’s making friends with girls who aren’t friends at school.
We have a unit from wide variety of schools and they all get a long.
You could maybe mention to leaders and they will make sure she’s included eg give teddy to someone who isn’t at school with you, getting to know you activities, pair up with a new person etc.

FunkyBrownie · 23/02/2022 10:34

Brownie leader here - I’d suggest chatting to your DD’s leadership team and mentioning your concerns that she doesn’t seem to have a ‘special’ friend, even if it doesn’t seem to be bothering her at the moment. I’ve had this multiple times over the years (I’ve currently got 32 girls from about 9 different schools so it’s common for them to start not knowing anyone) and it means that I can either A.) reassure the parents they their Brownie is one of those sorts that can happily play with anyone and that’s what they’re doing, or B.) look at matchmaking them with a ‘Brownie Buddy’ we think they’ll gel well with the build up their confidence.

Personally, I like having such a mix of schools at our unit; it helps avoid cliques. We actively mix their working groups so that they have a variety of ages and personalities in each one which makes for better teamwork and encourages them to remember that a good Brownie is a friend to all.

Re. The mascot… we sing a song and pass ours around the circle, and whoever is holding it at the end is the one to take it home. If they’ve taken it home before it passes around the circle until it gets to someone who hasn’t had the chance before. Once everyone’s had a turn we start again. Mention it to your leaders - if the current system means girls are missing out I don’t think they’d be offended if you suggested a different way. As volunteers we do our best, but sometimes with so many girls things like that do get overlooked

emmathedilemma · 23/02/2022 10:38

Keep her there if she's happy. Some of my oldest friends were made through guides (and Scouts) but none of them were my classmates at school (I don't keep in close contact with any of them!). I think that groups that are made up of kids who don't know each other through school are much better. I had a cub pack who for a short time were nearly all from the same year group at school and they were a nightmare as it became an extension of things that had gone on at school, whereas the more mixed groups came into cubs more "open minded" and didn't extend their playground battles to cubs!

ToMoveFromGGingOrNot · 23/02/2022 10:40

@FunkyBrownie

Brownie leader here - I’d suggest chatting to your DD’s leadership team and mentioning your concerns that she doesn’t seem to have a ‘special’ friend, even if it doesn’t seem to be bothering her at the moment. I’ve had this multiple times over the years (I’ve currently got 32 girls from about 9 different schools so it’s common for them to start not knowing anyone) and it means that I can either A.) reassure the parents they their Brownie is one of those sorts that can happily play with anyone and that’s what they’re doing, or B.) look at matchmaking them with a ‘Brownie Buddy’ we think they’ll gel well with the build up their confidence.

Personally, I like having such a mix of schools at our unit; it helps avoid cliques. We actively mix their working groups so that they have a variety of ages and personalities in each one which makes for better teamwork and encourages them to remember that a good Brownie is a friend to all.

Re. The mascot… we sing a song and pass ours around the circle, and whoever is holding it at the end is the one to take it home. If they’ve taken it home before it passes around the circle until it gets to someone who hasn’t had the chance before. Once everyone’s had a turn we start again. Mention it to your leaders - if the current system means girls are missing out I don’t think they’d be offended if you suggested a different way. As volunteers we do our best, but sometimes with so many girls things like that do get overlooked

@FunkyBrownie Thank you DD has said she likes going and as I said she does seem to talk to most of the other girls there just no special friend. I think it's because all her classmates all seem to be together that I panicked and wondered if DD would be better there.

But actually looking over it, I think it's been engineered like that with the parents, going through the class list (from christmas) I can see that of the 8 girls in the same Beaver/Cub group, 6 of them have older brothers in the same class further up the school so the parents have done it delibrately I think.

I feel much better now and will be sticking with GGing, will mention to the leader that she hasn't had the mascot yet and would love to have it. She already knows who she wants to pick to have it after her (another girl who I'm not sure has had it either).

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ToMoveFromGGingOrNot · 23/02/2022 15:17

I'll be keeping her at GGing, she's just had a long conversation with someone in the supermarket about all the badges. The lady was a leader at another local GGing unit (different section) but also works at the Nursery DD went to and says she sounds so happy talking about it.

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Dixiechickonhols · 23/02/2022 15:40

That’s lovely she’s so enthusiastic. I would mention about the mascot.

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