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AIBU to think MIL shouldn't film us without consent?

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ILikeCrumpetsAndTrumpets · 19/02/2022 22:51

I should state, I normally get on very well with my MIL but I'm in a bad mood and have had a really stressful day so I don't know whether IABU or not.There's a lot of context to this so sorry if it's long.

My DW is pregnant with our second. She has awful, awful hyperemesis - cannot eat or drink, cannot walk, cannot go anywhere or do anything. She's desperately unwell. She hasn't been to work since before Christmas, she's sick even if she just sits up. Yesterday, going to bed, she was sick (in a bowl) on the bottom step, when she reached half-way, and at the top - so very, very sick. She's on a whole bunch of medications and regularly has to go to the hospital for IV (at minimum once per week). We also have a toddler and I work full-time (so does DW when not sick).

A few weeks ago, MIL asked DW if we could watch her dog while she goes on holiday and DW agreed. DW struggles to say no to MIL. DW is very determined and headstrong, she's incredibly capable but, growing up, MIL never acknowledged her achievements or really paid attention to her in general. DW always feels she needs to prove herself to MIL and (she said to me when we discussed it this evening) DW thinks that saying no would look like admitting that she's not coping with life and that MIL would view her as a failure. MIL would probably be devastated to know DW feels this way as she genuinely believes she's supportive and loving, but she had a really tough upbringing herself with an absent yet judgemental mother and has continued a lot of that. MIL means well but, to be frank, this annoyed me because we recently asked for MIL to watch DS for a few hours because I needed a break (working full-time, watching DS, looking after DW, having to do 100% of the household stuff and had other commitments too) and, after initially agreeing, she backed out saying she's too busy (she works two days per week). She's also completely unsupportive of DW being ill and has told her many times it's just psychological and she should just overcome it.

MIL lives a few hours away from us, in the Red Zone for the storm. Yesterday, her fences were destroyed in the storm (well, technically the neighbour's fence but it means MIL's garden is no longer dog secure). Today, DW needed to go to the hospital for more IV treatment, her ketones were +4 on arrival. The hospital was a bit of a disaster (that's whole different thread). I had to spend the whole day (without a base because we don't live near the hospital and nor does MIL) with a toddler and the dog (I couldn't go into the hospital with them and couldn't leave the dog at home because of the unsecured fence). So, the day was very stressful because issues at the hospital meant I spent 12 hours with a toddler and dog, with almost nowhere to go in stormy weather (the appointment should've taken two hours). Credit to DS, he was an angel all day.

We just got back to MIL's house and discovered a camera filming us in a communal area of the house (not a bedroom or bathroom). It's at head height and so the dog wouldn't be visible, so definitely to watch us and not the dog. The camera is definitely not usually there. DW is especially upset because a) she's been walking around in her pants and vomiting and b) we have no idea if there are any more cameras. I do appreciate she has a right to have a camera and it's inside her own house. I also know I've had a shitty day so not sure if I'm being reasonable.

Thoughts?

OP posts:
Totalwasteofpaper · 20/02/2022 05:33

@bluebird3 Wtaf????? Shock

Tigersonvaseline · 20/02/2022 07:44

You were left with dog And toddler all day.
You bore the brunt of your wife's desxion but you yourself were not given help When you needed it.

You tell mil this.

You tell her how Sick your wife is, how much you're dealing with and how you ended up struck with her dog and yet received no help from mil.

So mil is informed you have your hands full and you will not be able to take on dogs or any extras at all. help works both ways
.

As you say she may genuine think nothing is wrong.

Make a boundary and put your foot down. Good luck.

sonjadog · 20/02/2022 07:49

It will most likely be in case of burglaries and she forgot to mention it to you. I wouldn't kick up a big fuss about it. Just turn it off while you are there.

Tigersonvaseline · 20/02/2022 07:50

Usually the unsaid rule is to let people deal with their own family but your mil is being dismissive of a dreadful illness.
And decisions are impact you so step in!!!! Stand up for dw and you

Pyri · 20/02/2022 07:51

You need to do more in establishing boundaries and putting your foot down to your mother. Requests shouldn’t be going through your ill wife to dog sit, and the message shouldn’t be getting through to her that it’s psychological because you should be getting there first and not even letting those messages go through.

Agree with everyone else about the camera but your mother sounds awful and you need to do more

Whatinthelord · 20/02/2022 07:58

Yes I’d be unhappy not being told about the camera too. It’s just weird to not mention a camera to people staying in your home.

I agree with everyone else’s comments about boundaries too. You both need to learn to say no to MIL. It’s absolutely ridiculous for someone that unwell to be asked to do anything additional. You both should have said no to dog sitting.

Lachimolala · 20/02/2022 07:59

My parents have these in their house, when they installed them they made sure me and my sibling knew exactly where they are in the house and that they would be both turned off and turned around when we dog sit for them. They stay on when we just pop in because we’re all down with that, your DW mum should’ve made you aware it’s there and that you you can turn off/around if you want.

I don’t think you’re unreasonable to be angry about this, I really feel for your DW. I would try to empower her into saying no the next time her mum asked for what is clearly an impossible task while she is so unwell. HG is awful and absolutely not in anyones imagination.

LemonViolet · 20/02/2022 08:14

Hmm I’m on the fence, we have cameras all over our house (also bedroom or bathroom) so we can check in on our pets when we’re out. Some are placed at head height but you can still see the animals on the floor/sofa etc, so I don’t think you can say it’s not to watch the dog, they have wide lenses. The cameras aren’t hidden or anything - sounds like this one wasn’t either - and we assume people can see they’re there, for example my brother dog sat for us recently when we were out all day, I didn’t make a point about reminding him of the cameras.

I think your reaction to this, quite normal thing nowadays, is coloured by your already poor opinion of your MIL and the fact you’ve had a really difficult day. However the root of this is the poor relationship between your wife and your MIL, and therefore you should defer to your wife as to what she wants to do and how she wants to handle it. If that includes downplaying how unwell she is to MIL, that’s her call quite frankly.

MN usually seems quite skewed to be anti-cameras in private homes btw when these discussions come up.

Tigersonvaseline · 20/02/2022 08:18

Lemon usually I would agree but not When it impacts someone else as it's impacting op.he was the one left with the dog and q sick wife and a toddler. It's his call too

edenhills · 20/02/2022 08:49

Just text her. Do you have cameras in the house? A heads up might have been nice!

billy1966 · 20/02/2022 09:12

Your MIL sounds awful.

Your wife doesn't get to agree to have the dog whilst she is ill.

I would be so pissed off with her adding to your load.

Tell you wife to never agree to the dog again if it in any way involves you.

She can't even look after her own child and she's agreeing to mind a dog.

Batshit and really annoying.

Your wife needs to get counselling and sort herself out if her mother is such an issue.

Stand up for yourself here and tell your wife you are fed up.

Her being so unwell is very hard on her and you.

Her agreeing to stuff that makes it even harder is completely unacceptable.

Unplug the camera and get this sorted.Flowers

PAFMO · 20/02/2022 09:15

TL:DR
Your MIL has a security camera and you think it's to film you and your wife.
Ask her.

AngelinaFibres · 20/02/2022 09:33

@Ionlydomassiveones

MIL can do what she wants in her own house. The camera is irrelevant. YABU for people pleasing and your wife feeling like she’s got ‘to prove herself’. You've only got yourselves to blame for this situation and your shitty day.
This sums it up. There are kennels for dogs. I had HG with both my pregnancies and a mother in law who thought it was all in the mind. Being anywhere near a dog or a dog smelling house would have made it 1000 times worse. I spent years people pleasing so my mother would approve of me. In the end I realised that I could be declared Queen of all the Universe and she would still have thought I could try harder. Time for your wife to look into strategies for saying no. Grey rock is a useful thing to Google. It has changed my life. The 2 of you need to prioritise your family unit and nothing else. Speak to your work about time off. If you have to use your leave to get through this then that is what you have to do . It's only a small period of your life. If necessary MIL will have to come home early Tell her you are putting the dog into kennels and that she will be paying if she doesn't feel she can come home. Put a bag over the camera. Stand up for your wife.
Luredbyapomegranate · 20/02/2022 10:07

If the camera is really aimed at you - that’s insane. Turn it off or cover it.

But more broadly, you need to sort out your relationship with this woman. Knowing your family situation, saying she is too busy to look after your toddler for a few hours is appalling. Dismissing a disabling condition in her pregnant daughter is callous and cold. She might be a nice enough person, but she isn’t supportive at all, so stop giving her quarter.

If your wife has been dominated or bullied by her, this will be hard, so work with her on it. A good place to start is when MIL asks for a favour your wife says I’ll check with husband, and you go back with the no, with a reversed explanation your wife can repeat.

Pull up your drawbridges now.

Do raise the camera issue - it’s a helpful line in the sand to kick of a new era. But do it calmly - we noticed their was a camera, we’d have appreciated you telling us, but anyway we turned it off.

Luredbyapomegranate · 20/02/2022 10:08

Rehearsed explanation..

THisbackwithavengeance · 20/02/2022 10:13

Obviously the first thing you did was ring your MIL and ask her?

Because noone on here can mind read or psychoanalyse a situation without knowing the motives?

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