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For wanting my daughter to have a scan or further investigation

29 replies

Mammaof · 12/02/2022 11:28

Hi, so my daughter has been having issues for a couple of years (she's 4 now) with going to the toilet ALOT. I took her to the doctors numerous times, once they did find a infection which was treated with antibiotics, twice they have given her thrush treatment which made no difference. So 2 weeks ago her teacher called me in to say she is a bit concerned the amount of times she is going to the toilet, the teacher did say she is definitely weeing which I already know she goes alot at home. if we ever have to go out in the car longer than 10mins we have to use a nappy or she will wet herself and sometimes not possible to pull over on busy roads, motorways etc. The teacher did also say she doesn't drink a massive amount so she can't see that being the reason why she keeps going. The day after the teacher spoke to me she had an accident and there was red blood in her underwear. So I took her back to the doctor who sent another sample off to the lab which found nothing and yet again treated for thrush and took a swab ( waiting for the result of swab) but as I was leaving he said that if the Swab is clear then that's it we just put it down to one of them things, but I really want to push for her to be seen by someone else or have a scan as this has been going on for a while now, and obviously the blood is concerning. Thank you!

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Mammaof · 12/02/2022 11:28

Sorry forgot to add they have always tested her blood sugar levels when I've taken her and they've always been normal

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betwixtlives · 12/02/2022 11:29

Has her blood sugar been checked?

BeetyAxe · 12/02/2022 11:30

I wouldn’t be happy with this at all, would definitely push for further investigations. It will start to embarrass her soon and impact her education so it will need to be sorted. God knows how her kidneys are as well, blood is definitely not normal

GeneLovesJezebel · 12/02/2022 11:33

Have you any reason to believe that the blood might be coming from her vagina or anus ?
You need to push for a referral up to paeds.
If you get no where get on to your school nurse.

Changethetoner · 12/02/2022 11:40

Some children like going to the toilet. it's a novelty if they are recently potty trained, and they go little and often. usually this wears off, and they gradually learn they can hold it, and allow their bladder to get a bit fuller before they need to empty it. perhaps she has a sensitive bladder and is really aware of it having anything in it, and feels she needs to go to the toilet, whereas she needs to learn to trust her body more, and allow the bladder to get really full before she empties it.

indub · 12/02/2022 11:46

She might have some vulvovaginitis from the constant wetting and wiping - rather than as the cause of the frequency. Regardless vaginal thrush/candida is incredibly rare in this age group so I am concerned the GP keeps going to that.

Insist on a paediatric referral. You've tried watchful waiting and the GP is out of their depth.

TheApexOfMyLife · 12/02/2022 12:12

I agree. She needs more investigations.

I’d go and see the GP with a list of symptoms/behaviours, including what the teacher is saying (Incl the fact she is actually have a wee. So it’s not a way to get out of the classroom!)
I would then highlight what has already been done but has NOT worked.

The cant fob you off again and again.

Doggydreaming · 12/02/2022 12:14

Has she had her calcium checked? High blood calcium can cause you too wee a lot

TheApexOfMyLife · 12/02/2022 12:14

Btw my understanding is that thrush in a child so young (let alone one who is showing blood in her pants) would be an automatic referral tomSS for potential sexual abuse….

Now I’m NOT saying that this is what is happening here. More that the conclusion the GP has come to sounds very strange…
Could you see another GP?

YukoandHiro · 12/02/2022 12:36

Have her blood sugar checked urgently - this could be a symptom of diabetes. And lots of other good thoughts from PP too.
Go back and ask to see a second GP for another opinion and ask for a referral to paeds

Ukholidaysaregreat · 12/02/2022 13:10

Excellent advice on this thread. I am really concerned that the GP is happy to brush this off. Can you see a different GP at the practice. Here we have a walk in centre for medical treatment that is not A and E. If you have one of those you could try that. Failing that show the GP this thread. Good Luck!

ExtraOnion · 12/02/2022 13:16

My daughter had lots of problems with urination when she was younger. Damp knickers, wet at night, urges to go (all the time), similar to you, we had to use nappies if there was a chance we wouldn’t have immediate access to a toilet.
Anyhow .. took us ages to get a referral to a paediatrician - despite regular UTIs.
She was put on meds that stopped the wetting & urgency (Oxybutinin and Desmopressin), and she had scans and tests.
The tube going from her kidney to bladder was very short, which was the crux of all the problems m. It was a case of staying on the meds, and waiting it out.
She’s 15 now .. no meds .. all fine

NeverDropYourMooncup · 12/02/2022 13:20

Slightly older than that, I had a contrast scan to look for kidney or bladder stones within a couple of weeks of seeing blood - seeing as that was decades ago, I don't think 'one of those things' really cuts it these days. From memory, I'd say the sensation was like there was 'sand'.

I'd request a referral to eliminate the possibility.

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Mammaof · 12/02/2022 14:19

@TheApexOfMyLife she hasn't got thrush that's the point and the blood was in her urine. my doctor has absolutely no concern for abuse!! But thanks for the unhelpful comment!

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Mammaof · 12/02/2022 14:20

@YukoandHiro her bloods have been checked 3 times since last Aug all coming back normal which is a relief x

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Mammaof · 12/02/2022 14:22

@ExtraOnion thank you for sharing your experience this is what I'm wondering if there is something going on, she also complains of pain in her kidney sometimes. The doctor did say as she's autistic that it might just be that she's sensitive to the sensation but either way I would like to know 100 percent that is what this is x

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NameChangeNymph · 12/02/2022 14:30

"The doctor did say as she's autistic that it might just be that she's sensitive to the sensation"

This type of crap from Doctors really pisses me off! There are lots of things it might be. Their guesses are no good to you or your daughter. You want (need) to know for sure. Absolutely keep pushing for answers. Your daughters symptoms aren't typical. Something is causing them so don't stop until you know what that something is.

DysmalRadius · 12/02/2022 14:35

Have they investigated diabetes insipidus? www.nhs.uk/conditions/diabetes-insipidus/

isitnewyearyet · 14/02/2022 22:06

My daughter (9) also wets day and night every hour and has urgency. She has just had an MRI scan to see if it's tethered cord syndrome which can cause wetting.We are waiting for results. Prior to this they suspected constipation was causing wetting (most common cause) and the blood can be from a haemorrhoid or fissure. Apparently a child can poo everyday but still be constipated (stool in rectum pushing on bladder) I would push for paediatrician referral.

Katya213 · 14/02/2022 22:31

Overactive bladder?

AlmostAJillSandwich · 14/02/2022 22:38

Oh the poor little love, i really feel for her. I had issues from the age of 5, always complaining i felt i couldn't fully empty my bladder, led to sitting on the toilet for literal hours at a time as i never felt i was "done" and could get off again, it has led to life long issues, caused severe OCD about toilets and their use, and at 32, it's massively impacted my entire life, to the point im registered disabled, have a blue badge etc and never been able to work. I really hope they do your daughter better than they did me, they told my parents it was all in my head and nothing they could/would do once UTI and blockage were ruled out.

Tdcp · 14/02/2022 22:51

My daughter was similar and she's had a renal scan, a bladder scan and an ultrasound. Your gp needs to be pushing this more. She could have a persistent UTI that hasn't been detected or an issue with her tract in general. I hope you find out the cause

SmallOrFarAway · 14/02/2022 22:57

I had this from when I was small, luckily my mum was amazing and pushed back against all the 'it's one of those things' old fashioned 80s couldn't care less about women and kids type GPs. Turns out my bladder is unusually small and I needed an op to have it stretched. I was supposed to have more follow ups for regular stretching but for whatever reason that never happened and as I reached puberty I begged my mum to stop chasing it as I was so embarrassed. Regret that now! Definitely ask to be referred for further scans for her. My issue would never have shown up without scans. I sometimes got utis from the constant irritation of the endless peeing and wiping and sometimes had blood/proteins in the urine which needed strong antibiotics.

Tbh like a pp said it's scarred me for life mentally and now I have huge fears and ocd-type behaviours and anxiety around toilets. That emotional and mental stuff was never addressed for me growing up, so might be worth also thinking about if your daughter could benefit from some help in that regard as well as the physical.

Thinking2041 · 14/02/2022 22:57

Op.
You missed the point that @TheApexOfMyLife was making. She was no insinuating there was any sexual abuse!

WTF475878237NC · 14/02/2022 23:20

I would see every GP in the surgery until you get a paed referral. Something is amiss as you say.