Page 11 | To feel so stupid over hidden calories

Gwenhwyfar · 08/02/2022 21:58

"Gwenhwyfar

"If you're going to just wash the sauce off why on earth wouldn't you just buy a can of cannallinni beans?? Surely it would work out cheaper and be a lot less hassle."

It's not me buying the baked beans is it so no need for the attitude.
Not sure about cheaper. At one point baked beans were the cheapest thing you could find.

You are incredibly negative"

What? How am I incredible negative? I was actually being positive about beans by stating that they don't have added sugar - only the sauce does. How is that negative???

WineGetsMeThroughIt · 08/02/2022 22:09

Before we knew much about calories, fats, etc most people enjoyed whole foods with plenty of fat like bacon and eggs, salads and steamed veg, steaks, butter, etc.

There was very little snacking, little convenience foods or low fat foods, etc. The introduction of fat free foods and the demonisation of fat has become the downfall of the modern day diet. Most low fat foods are loaded with sugar to replace the fat and flavour in foods and are more carb heavy which increases insulin levels and cravings so you end up in a catch 22 situation where you're constantly hungry, rarely satisfied, etc.

The whole premise of the Keto and paleo diets are to eat whole foods that our ancient ancestors ate. Grains, sugars, etc are a relatively new part of the human diet when you consider the 6 million years humans have been around and eating. The bulk of the human diet has been comprised of protein and fat and and our bodies have been designed to work best on that.

Roxy69 · 09/02/2022 09:35

Fry lite. Ever looked at the ingredients? only 51% of it is oil. The rest is ......
So how hard is it to tip a little oil into a pan from a bottle?
Also l changed from using olive oil to cold pressed rapeseed. It's better for you than olive oil. Better for the environment as no airmiles involved too.

WineGetsMeThroughIt · 09/02/2022 11:32

@Roxy69

Fry lite. Ever looked at the ingredients? only 51% of it is oil. The rest is ...... So how hard is it to tip a little oil into a pan from a bottle? Also l changed from using olive oil to cold pressed rapeseed. It's better for you than olive oil. Better for the environment as no airmiles involved too.

Actually this is wrong. Rapeseed oil and most commercial vegetable and seed oils are extremely bad for you. They're highly inflammatory and go through a massive industrial extraction process to manufacture them.

"While this all sounds great, mention is rarely made of the very toxic substance rapeseed oil also contains. Eruric acid. Not only does it irritate mucous membranes, but damages the myelin sheath around nerves and interferes with the use of Vitamin E by the body. This led to it being banned by the FDA in 1956 and the development of new strains of rape in the mid 1970’s with lower levels of eruric acid."

You'd be much better with cold pressed extra Virgin olive oil on salads and alternative oils such as avocado oil, macadamia nut oil or coconut oil which has a higher smoke point and is better for cooking than olive oil.

www.smartholistics.co.uk/news-blog/the-dark-side-of-rapeseed-oil/

chriskresser.com/how-industrial-seed-oils-are-making-us-sick/

Harrysmummy246 · 09/02/2022 17:26

@WineGetsMeThroughIt

Any actual scientific references re oils please?

WineGetsMeThroughIt · 09/02/2022 19:19

@Harrysmummy246

There's so many studies out there, but they can be hard to read and sift through for me (adhd), so videos by people who have done the research already and can summarise it are easier for me to tolerate and digest. There's plenty of information out there if you look.

This guy summarises it quite well:

As does she:

Here is a link as well quoting several studies: www.jeffnobbs.com/posts/death-by-vegetable-oil-what-the-studies-say

Gwenhwyfar · 09/02/2022 20:16

Thank you Wine. I'd also heard that olive oil wasn't good for hot cooking so I'll have a look at avocado oil

Tzimi · 09/02/2022 20:30

@Cheeseandlobster

I have been trying to be healthier for ages. I follow a lowish carb diet combined with intermittent fasting, do hiit exercises daily, drink loads of water and get on average 9 portions of fruit n veg a day (usually 7 veg 2 fruit). Yet the weight keeps piling on

My go to healthy lunch is veggie scramble. Mushrooms, peppers, courgette, spinach and jalapeño with 1 egg. My pan is shit and the mushrooms stick to the pan or burn so I have been adding more splashes of rape seed oil when this happens. I looked at the bottle yesterday and 1 table spoon is 124 calories so I reckon I have been consuming on average 300 - 400 calories extra in oil. Maybe more. That's another meal! And I feel like an absolute idiot for not realising sooner.

So out goes the pan and I have bought a new pan where you can dry fry and some spray oil with 1 calorie per spray just in case.

I thought I was being food savvy but now I just feel stupid. Does anyone else have any hidden calorie warnings or done something similar?

You're going about this the wrong way! It's carbohydrates which are the problem, not fats. If you're doing a low carb or keto diet, you need to restrict your carbohydrate intake, ideally to below 20g per day. You don't need to worry about eating increased amounts of protein & fat. have a look at the Diet Doctor website, which explains the basis for this diet. www.dietdoctor.com/low-carb

Tzimi · 09/02/2022 20:31

@ElftonWednesday

I wouldn't ditch the oil but maybe have a bit less. Also I think it's better to make your own spray oil from any old spray container, rather than use the proprietary ones as they have additives - but yeah convenience for the Fry Lite or whatever.

I guess the obvious things which are high fat I have to be careful of - butter, avocado, cheese. I definitely eat and enjoy them but make sure my portions are accurate. Also not high fat but milk I was getting quite wrong in my milky coffee - it all adds up over time. I also measure alcohol when I have it at home. Sad but necessary both for general health and weight reasons.

No no, it's not the fat which is the problem, it's the carbs which need to be restricted!

N1no · 10/02/2022 08:18

I don’t watch my oil intake other than making sure I add it to my food for omega 3. There is also lots of butter and cream, nice cheese and milk - all full fat. I don’t restrict anything, don’t diet, don’t count. The only thing I restrict very strictly is processed foods. That means anything that is in a package and that has been more transformed than rolled oats. My weight is stable in the middle of my bmi. I guess there is some skipping of dinner because I’m not very hungry in the evening but always oats and banana for breakfast with full fat milk for breakfast.

You might be too stressed about it to lose weight.

ElftonWednesday · 10/02/2022 10:18

No no, it's not the fat which is the problem, it's the carbs which need to be restricted!

Fat also needs to be restricted. Otherwise I end up eating too many calories and being fat. Yes, I am careful with carbs, I mostly eat around or less than 100g of carbs, I have full fat everything apart from milk and count it, but carbs themselves are not evil and the ones I have are high fibre and fibre is extremely important for gut health.

But I left the Fast 800 Facebook group as I'm not interested in people telling me off for having sweet potato, bananas, lentils and rye bread in my diet. Realistically I'm never going to get through life without eating carbs, so I need to lose weight more slowly perhaps but incorporate carbs- not the highly processed kind, mind.

I lost weight on Very Fast 800 but in a few months put it all back on again, and more. Depriving myself of so much actually set me back years as for ages I'd been losing weight slowly (going up and down but with an overall downward trajectory) and had stopped emotional eating and had alcohol under control for at least five years. After I lost weight I went a bit mad, drinking far too much and wanting to eat everything under the sun, even stuff I'd never touch with a bargepole as I don't even like it. I started binge eating which I hadn't done for years either. My hair had started to fall out too, and I only did the VF 800 for eight weeks, not the full twelve.

The maintenance and recipes are actually good, and advice to stick to wholegrains and avoid highly processed foods but I'll never do 5:2, 4:3 or Very Fast 800 again. I should have known better really as the same happened when I did the original 5:2 back in 2013.

MrsMariaReynolds · 10/02/2022 10:35

"No no, it's not the fat which is the problem, it's the carbs which need to be restricted!"

"Fat also needs to be restricted. Otherwise I end up eating too many calories and being fat."

This is why weight management is such a mess for us. So many mixed and conflicting messages.

Fat is naturally restrictive. It is satisfying, and if you eat a decent amount of it, it will keep you full, and naturally diminish your appetite----hence, lower calories overall.

ElftonWednesday · 10/02/2022 10:39

It is, but as I'm trying to lose weight, unfortunately at the moment I can't rely on my appetite to tell me when to stop eating or my eyes/belly/brain to tell me what the right portion is, so I count everything. Because we are programmed to gain weight when food is abundant. I'm trying to re-programme my mind to have an abundance mindset while still losing weight.

Tzimi · 10/02/2022 11:08

@ElftonWednesday

No no, it's not the fat which is the problem, it's the carbs which need to be restricted!

Fat also needs to be restricted. Otherwise I end up eating too many calories and being fat. Yes, I am careful with carbs, I mostly eat around or less than 100g of carbs, I have full fat everything apart from milk and count it, but carbs themselves are not evil and the ones I have are high fibre and fibre is extremely important for gut health.

But I left the Fast 800 Facebook group as I'm not interested in people telling me off for having sweet potato, bananas, lentils and rye bread in my diet. Realistically I'm never going to get through life without eating carbs, so I need to lose weight more slowly perhaps but incorporate carbs- not the highly processed kind, mind.

I lost weight on Very Fast 800 but in a few months put it all back on again, and more. Depriving myself of so much actually set me back years as for ages I'd been losing weight slowly (going up and down but with an overall downward trajectory) and had stopped emotional eating and had alcohol under control for at least five years. After I lost weight I went a bit mad, drinking far too much and wanting to eat everything under the sun, even stuff I'd never touch with a bargepole as I don't even like it. I started binge eating which I hadn't done for years either. My hair had started to fall out too, and I only did the VF 800 for eight weeks, not the full twelve.

The maintenance and recipes are actually good, and advice to stick to wholegrains and avoid highly processed foods but I'll never do 5:2, 4:3 or Very Fast 800 again. I should have known better really as the same happened when I did the original 5:2 back in 2013.

You're wrong about that- it's glucose, the breakdown product of sugars & starches which causes insulin to be produced, and this is the hormone which tells the body to store the excess as fat. 100g of carbs is way too high, and you won't lose any weight. Unfortunately, this means getting used to a diet without bread, potatoes, pasta etc. Your body will then stop burning glucose as a fuel, and will burn fat instead. The good side-effect of eating fat is that you don't feel hungry anymore. Also, you avoid the insulin spikes & crashes which make you crave even more sugar. Have a read of Dr Atkins New Diet Revolution, to get a fuller idea of the theory. Oh, and you want to stop drinking alcohol, as your body also burns this as a fuel, instead of fat!

Tzimi · 10/02/2022 11:10

@MrsMariaReynolds

"No no, it's not the fat which is the problem, it's the carbs which need to be restricted!"

"Fat also needs to be restricted. Otherwise I end up eating too many calories and being fat."

This is why weight management is such a mess for us. So many mixed and conflicting messages.

Fat is naturally restrictive. It is satisfying, and if you eat a decent amount of it, it will keep you full, and naturally diminish your appetite----hence, lower calories overall.

Exactly, for years we have been told to avoid fat, and this is the WRONG message! Don't take my word for it, search on Google, read Atkins, Tim Noakes & others to get a better idea.

ElftonWednesday · 10/02/2022 11:15

I'm not avoiding fat. I'm controlling how much I eat, fat is a part of what I eat, and one of the macros I take notice of, along with protein, fibre and carbs.

Atkins has been roundly debunked by the way. And I don't eat meat so that would be completely horrendous for me. It was just another fad diet.

Tzimi · 10/02/2022 12:03

@ElftonWednesday

I'm not avoiding fat. I'm controlling how much I eat, fat is a part of what I eat, and one of the macros I take notice of, along with protein, fibre and carbs.

Atkins has been roundly debunked by the way. And I don't eat meat so that would be completely horrendous for me. It was just another fad diet.

You're absolutely right about fibre, that is also extremely important to maintain good GI health & fast throughput- to avoid getting bunged-up in other words! However, it's the sugars & starchy carbs you want to avoid. The principles behind the Atkins diet are sound. You cannot lose weight as long as you are eating too many carbs, which lead to insulin production, which leads to fat storage. If you don't like Atkins, read Tim Noakes' The Real Meal Revolution. I've done low carb/keto diets several times to lose weight. My mistake was going back to a 'normal' diet, which caused the weight to creep back. Re being vegetarian, that's not a problem, you can eat eggs, and green non-carby vegetables, & dairy. Avocados are excellent, as they have fat, protein & fibre.

Rosehugger · 10/02/2022 15:58

My mistake was going back to a 'normal' diet, which caused the weight to creep back

That's exactly my problem, faddy diets where you cut out too many foods are not sustainable. My current diet, with a few high fibre carbs, is sustainable, so I don't have to "Go back to normal" as I can just carry on doing this.

Tzimi · 10/02/2022 17:18

@Rosehugger

My mistake was going back to a 'normal' diet, which caused the weight to creep back

That's exactly my problem, faddy diets where you cut out too many foods are not sustainable. My current diet, with a few high fibre carbs, is sustainable, so I don't have to "Go back to normal" as I can just carry on doing this.

Low carb IS sustainable, and it's not a fad diet! It's based on real science. The secret for me has been discovering how to cook really tasty meals from low carb ingredients. These foods taste so nice, that I wouldn't even want to go back to eating bread, pasta, potatoes, pastry, sweets etc. And as this diet suppresses your hunger, you're no longer constantly going to the fridge to nibble between meals.

Yuckypretty · 10/02/2022 17:26

Milk in tea and coffee can be one that forgets to be added

Mollymoostoo · 10/02/2022 17:37

@Comedycook

I cannot see how even with the extra calories in the oil how you are "piling" weight on whilst intermittent fasting, low carving and exercising

Yeah, weight shouldn't be piling on but would remain stable if doing all those things. Maybe try keeping a food and drink diary for a week and stop guestimating portions. That said, I go to the gym 4 times a week and I am not losing weight because I'm gaining muscle but it is noticeable and I look trimmer.

Gensola · 10/02/2022 20:05

Of course you can lose weight while eating carbs - if you ate 1000 cals of anything a day you’d lose weight. Watch the show supersize vs super skinny - the skinny people on that were all painfully thin and usually survived on white toast/chocolate and crisps, just in tiny portions. If you eat below your TDEE of any calories you will lose weight, it’s just harder for most people to do that on a high carb diet as it doesn’t fill you up as much as protein.

Gensola · 10/02/2022 20:06

Sorry I meant if you ate only 1000 calories composed of any macro!

Tzimi · 10/02/2022 20:42

@Gensola

Of course you can lose weight while eating carbs - if you ate 1000 cals of anything a day you’d lose weight. Watch the show supersize vs super skinny - the skinny people on that were all painfully thin and usually survived on white toast/chocolate and crisps, just in tiny portions. If you eat below your TDEE of any calories you will lose weight, it’s just harder for most people to do that on a high carb diet as it doesn’t fill you up as much as protein.

All calories are not equal though! If you eat 1000 calories of fat but no carbohydrate, you won't produce much insulin, so you won't store fat. On the other hand, if you eat 1000 calories of sugar plus 1000 cals of fat, you will, store fat like there's no tomorrow. The idea is to switch your body from using glucose as a fuel, to using fat. The way to do this is to drastically reduce your carb intake, but increase your fat & protein. The fat burning pathway also has a metabolic advantage, in that burning fat uses more calories.

eternalopt · 10/02/2022 23:11

A tablespoon is actually a lot of oil - you can't have been using 3-4 tablespoons if you were just adding a splash. It would be swimming in it!