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To not want my baby's uncle around him when he's unwell?

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Ivegottagoforaliedown · 07/02/2022 10:28

So I have a lovely 4.5 month old baby. He's my first and I'm worried I'm being a bit over protective and could potentially upset my partner and his mum and brother.

Partners brother has schizophrenia. He's very quiet but nice and we (I think) get on ok. He lives with their mum still around 2 hours away from us. My issue is not his diagnosis but the way the family address it - ie. they don't. No-one speaks about anything meaningful really which is a whole other issue. He is prescribed antipsychotic medication by his GP but is not under any CMHT at present. Again, no-one discusses this with him and he has not come to the attention of services recently. It seems he goes through phases of taking/not taking his medication, and periodically becomes unwell. This is never addressed by their mum and he won't speak to his dad who is the primary subject of his delusions. Their parents are separated so it's just his mum and brother at home.

He has never been violent to people, but on a couple of occasions he has been destructive to property. It seems he has persecutory delusions when unwell and sporadically his brother (my partner) is the subject of these.

This issue came to the fore last week when he and his mum were due to visit us (for context, we see them every few weeks. They are very quiet and his mum does not really ask about her grandson, nor does she contact my partner. He is the one to reach out to her). I believe she has her own issues with depression. My partner spoke to his brother on the phone. As soon as I heard his voice I knew he was unwell. He is extremely intelligent and articulate and when unwell this becomes even more evident. He accused my partner of being the culprit of some 'electric shocks' he had been feeling and gave his rationale which involved wifi, smartphones etc. He then hung up.

My partners mum had no idea her son was unwell but had noticed he had been sleeping poorly. She said she would see how he is in the morning with regards to whether they would visit. I said sorry no, I don't want him around my baby if he's unwell and ranting (for want of a better term) at my partner in an agitated manner. She seemed quite affronted by this. My partner agrees with me but is upset of course. They are going to reassess in a couple of weeks. In the meantime, noone will speak to him about it, they will just wait until he eventually starts taking his medication again, or at least appears relatively well.

Am I being unreasonable here? The irony is I work in mental health myself. I would never want to stigmatise someone and I know that sufferers of mental illness are more likely to be victims of violence than perpetrators. However, since so little is known about his state of mind and no discussions are ever had about anything meaningful, it feels a risk to me when it comes to my baby. I can see this being an issue in the future and I'm worried about how to proceed with his family. I'd like to talk to him myself but have worried about upsetting the apple cart so to speak. I think it may be the time to do so however his mum's reaction makes me think it may not go down well...

Bit of a rambling one. Opinions greatly appreciated

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1940s · 07/02/2022 10:32

YANBU. If he's not managing his mental health condition with his medications then he isn't welcome around a tiny baby. And not just any mental health but this specific scenario with his agitations and delusions. No way would I risk that with a child of any age

CanofCant · 07/02/2022 10:33

YANBU.

RedHelenB · 07/02/2022 10:35

What are your concerns specifically? I would only say no if I was scared he's be violent but that doesn't seem to be the case?

1940s · 07/02/2022 10:39

@RedHelenB

What are your concerns specifically? I would only say no if I was scared he's be violent but that doesn't seem to be the case?
But everyone has a first time to be violent don't they? This person has been prescribed medication and they're not taking it which affects their moods, agitations, violence to property and delusions. Way too risky for me
TheCatterall · 07/02/2022 10:39

My son had a breakdown 5 years ago and developed paranoid schizophrenia and has never stabilised/found meds etc that work and doesn’t think he’s ill.

Family really need to fight for help - it’s been an awful battle getting any help for my son.

YANBU and I heartily recommend not having the meetings at your home or whilst he’s openly unwell. Who knows what his current or next paranoia/hallucinations could be?

My son is intelligent and able to mask his illness often until it takes him over and that’s the point we are most at risk from whatever beliefs he holds at that point. After 5 years I’ve had to fight to get him in secure supported accommodation as he’d become such a risk to me and his brother and himself.

I wish you all the luck in the world. But you take precautions to support your family unit.

Leighcloon · 07/02/2022 10:40

Yanbu. My mother’s half-brother had paranoid schizophrenia when I was a small child, no one ever talked about it, his illness was poorly-controlled which meant that he periodically behaved erratically in ways that were frightening to us as children(I think when regular injections of drugs were beginning to wear off), but he came to the house every Thursday, regardless. Which insure he hated,too.

Ivegottagoforaliedown · 07/02/2022 10:42

@RedHelenB

What are your concerns specifically? I would only say no if I was scared he's be violent but that doesn't seem to be the case?
He has no history of violence to people but has been destructive to property before. My main concern would be him shouting at his brother (my baby's dad) in front of our child. The other issue is that the specifics of his condition and state of mind are so unknown as there is no discussion. What if (this may be my anxious mind here) my baby became the subject of his delusions?
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LaBellina · 07/02/2022 10:45

YANBU.
I wouldn’t want him around my child either.
It’s not your job to protect your MIL’s feelings, it’s your job to protect your baby.
If she can’t see the danger or worse, prioritizes a visit to your baby’s safety then too bad for her. I wouldn’t care about someone’s feelings if they had so little regards for my baby’s safety and so little empathy for me.

Ivegottagoforaliedown · 07/02/2022 10:46

@TheCatterall thank you, what an awful situation for you - it seems getting any mental health support these days is nigh on impossible for many. It's very demoralising working in this area at the moment.

I do worry that he masks things. He brings up scenarios from years ago as evidence to support his delusions, and these are usually times we thought he was taking his medication and stable..

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MindyStClaire · 07/02/2022 10:46

YANBU - even if it was ok now because your baby was so young, it won't be long before they would find that distressing so you will need to have the conversation at some point. It may as well be now.

Ozanj · 07/02/2022 10:50

I grew up around someone with this condition who didn’t take their meds. She never hurt us but used to lock us in rooms because she was convinced we could read her mind. So I 100% support your decision to protect your dc from then.

Mumdiva99 · 07/02/2022 10:50

Yanbu. You have no issue with him. When he takes his medication he can come. But, you have witnessed unreasonable behaviour to your DH and don't want him to come. Fair enough. If the family won't discuss anything further then you have no other information to base your decision on. Obviously it doesn't stop your DH going there to see them instead. But you need to protect your child.

itwasntaparty · 07/02/2022 10:55

My best mates mum is schizophrenic, when I was a kid and going in sleepovers, if she wasn't taking her meds I wasn't allowed to go, there was an incident with a knife at one point when I wasn't there. Her daughter would come and stay with us during those times.

Lampshading · 07/02/2022 11:11

yanbu, it's a sad situation all round but I would do the same (and do the same as a sibling is similar).

ComeOnNow21 · 07/02/2022 11:55

Fwiw my family situation growing up was similar. My uncle was never violent but hearing him shout about my dad was very unsettling. I think when he was unwell my granny tended to come to visit us instead.

MatildaTheCat · 07/02/2022 11:59

I think you are right to set the boundaries now while your baby is small. Before long your baby will be a child who understands and will be frightened by erratic behaviour and conflict. Perhaps your DP can offer more support to his DM in getting some help before Db is worse and potentially needing a section.

Very sad and difficult.

Ivegottagoforaliedown · 07/02/2022 12:10

Thanks everyone, useful to hear from people who have grown up around people with psychosis. I don't want my little boy to ever be frightened. It is very sad, he's a nice man and he could have a much better life if he got some help.

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Totalwasteofpaper · 07/02/2022 12:22

Yanbu.

You need strong boundaries from the get-go.

The "oh he is just ranting the baby won't understand" becomes "Oh he is just ranting, the toddler is used to it" which in turn becomes " X knows uncle Y doesn't mean it when he says aliens will come at night and harvest his organs"

If he is well and the visit is supervised he can come.
No solo care. Ever.
Any red flags in terms of behaviour and mil and BIL need to leave.

Leighcloon · 07/02/2022 12:25

Yes, I should also say I have a friend with bipolar disorder, and she manages it so consistently well that I've never had the slightest hesitation in her having DS around to her house for a playdate with her daughter. Someone with a mis- or under-managed condition is entirely different.

Ivegottagoforaliedown · 07/02/2022 12:34

@Leighcloon

Yes, I should also say I have a friend with bipolar disorder, and she manages it so consistently well that I've never had the slightest hesitation in her having DS around to her house for a playdate with her daughter. Someone with a mis- or under-managed condition is entirely different.
Absolutely - I wouldn't have any hesitation if I knew more about his condition and knew it was managed. Its the unknown that worries me. I hope my partner will understand this as our little boy grows up, this is going to be an ongoing issue..
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