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To opt out of NHS pension to make childcare more affordable?

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pensionoptout · 06/02/2022 16:22

Am I going to regret this?? I've temporarily opted out of my NHS pension contributions to make our childcare expenses more affordable. It will probably be for around 18 months or so I think, hopefully less. Has anyone done this? Is it a bad financial decision? Confused

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Notanewusertool · 06/02/2022 22:02

I can guarantee you will regret this decision in 20 years. However, I smoked for 15 years and bitterly regret that now. People have always done things for now which hurt their future self. Just be aware that future you will wish you had made a different choice.

Woahthehorsey · 06/02/2022 22:02

*ask not as

caringcarer · 06/02/2022 22:03

You will regret this. We are constantly having threads on MN about people who have not got enough pension years paid in and will end up in poverty in old age.

wellhellohi · 06/02/2022 22:13

My mum has just retired at 66 from the nhs because she opted out of the pension when we were little and things kept coming up that she didn't get back in for many years.

She has to wait for her state pension to kick in as her occupational one was so low. And she was an 8c at retirement so on a good salary.

Look at all other options first.

sleezeandwineparty · 06/02/2022 22:29

Bad choice even short term and you won't save anywhere near as much as you think because your tax will go up.

babyjellyfish · 07/02/2022 10:58

OP, how much are your monthly contributions?

PigletJohn · 07/02/2022 11:34

@sleezeandwineparty

Bad choice even short term and you won't save anywhere near as much as you think because your tax will go up.
good point

Actually, for pension contributions deducted from your pay by the employer, there is no income tax, and no National Insurance charged.

Depending where you are on the bands, this can be quite useful, and the pounds in your pocket will not go up by as much as your pension contributions go down.

But it is dwarfed by the Employer Contribution that you would be throwing away.

babyjellyfish · 07/02/2022 11:50

Just to put things into perspective. I used to be in the civil service on a salary of £48k.

I was accruing about £1,100 of defined benefit pension per year.

That means that missing just one month of contributions would have cost me the equivalent of almost £100 (in today's money) every year for my whole retirement. If I draw my pension for 25 years, missing one month of contributions would have cost me about £2,500. Missing 18 months' worth of contributions would have cost me £45,000 in my retirement.

Blossomtoes · 07/02/2022 11:54

That’s a real eye opener @babyjellyfish. It’s terrifying, isn’t it?

I really hope you’re opting straight back in again @pensionoptout.

ReeseWitherfork · 07/02/2022 12:04

Not RTFT so someone else may have said this, and it might even be outdated info, but I spent three years in a non-NHS role and because I'd not been paying my pension for so long they gave me a rebate and I had to start again. They wouldn't let me just carry on paying into it. So double check your T&C's. You may be losing more than 18 months. Also, remember pension values are dependent on how much you've paid in plus for how long. So could be a massive effect if they make you start over.

babyjellyfish · 07/02/2022 12:27

@Blossomtoes

That’s a real eye opener *@babyjellyfish*. It’s terrifying, isn’t it?

I really hope you’re opting straight back in again @pensionoptout.

It is indeed.

My figures are a bit rough and ready, but I just wanted to demonstrate what even a temporary pause in contributions can look like.

@pensionoptout, I don't know if you are still reading this, but if you are, can I suggest that you find your most recent pension statement and see what your pensionable pay is? (If you can't find that info, just use your salary.)

According to the NHS pensions website, if you are in the 2015 scheme, you accrue a pension of 1/54 of your pensionable pay. So if your pensionable pay is £30k, for example, you would be earning about £555 per year in pension. That means that missing one month's worth of contributions would cost you £46.25 per year (in today's money) for every year that you are retired.

Even if the state pension age rises to, say, 70 by the time you retire, and you live until you are 85, missing one month of contributions on a salary of £30k would cost you £693.75 over your retirement, and missing 18 months' worth would cost you £12,487.50 over 15 years.

If you earn more than £30k, opt out for longer than 18 months, are retired for more than 15 years, or are not a member of the 2015 scheme but one of the earlier (better) ones, the amount you lose will be higher than that.

Do the sums, OP.

Work out how much it will cost you per month, per year, and over your whole retirement based on average life expectancy. Then compare that to what you are saving in contributions (which may be less than you think given the tax issues) and decide whether it's really worth it, or whether you'd be better off trying to cut costs elsewhere, for example by getting rid of your Netflix subscription or trying to cut your food bills by batch cooking cheap meals, or perhaps trying to get some overtime.

And as someone else said, apply for those promotions now! Don't wait until the time is right. Carpe diem. If you get promoted sooner than you think, it will get you out of your current tight spot and you'll have an even better pension.

One final thought: these defined benefit public sector pensions are very advantageous and consequently very expensive. That's why they're constantly changing them. If you're a member of one of the older schemes rather than the 2015 scheme, you've already got a better deal than any new joiners can get today (and I really hope you'll be able to pick up where you left off and not be told that you've got to join the 2015 scheme now). If you're a member of the 2015 scheme, it's been going for 7 years already and it wouldn't surprise me if it gets closed to new joiners before too long and anyone who joins the NHS pension scheme after that gets the next, less beneficial iteration.

LaPufalina · 07/02/2022 12:55

Good advice, jellyfish.
OP, honestly, treat it as if it's not there to be called on. It's unequivocally an awful decision. Anything but this, for all the reasons listed.

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 07/02/2022 12:58

I paid into my teachers pension for 26 years. Last year l got ill health retirement.

My friend didn’t pay in. She’s struggling to work at 53.

felulageller · 07/02/2022 13:44

You'd be better getting into low interest debt than to do this. It's passing up free money from the employers contributions!

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