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Finallylostit · 29/01/2022 10:45

The new highway code to cause anger!

I went for my morning cycle - no issues did nothing different than I normally do.

Home, shower, jump in car to get food shopping. I live down a country road - wide enough for 2 cars to pass with care, wide enough for a car to over take a cyclist sticking to the left of the lane, with the required space at certain points. Locals all know the places to do it safely.

Today 1 cyclist riding down the middle of the lane - now unsafe for car to pull over to other lane and pass - brilliant

Was he considerate of other road users and pulled over- no.

As on the other side were 8 riders riding two abreast high fiving each other and doing the finger to the motorists. Shouting its the law twats!
Were they considerate of other road users no.

Some of the new laws i think are sensible -
but the ride in the middle of the road, even if there is a cycle lane because you don't feel like it - is asinine

2 abreast packs of mamils hunting on weekends as they venture out of London - when they are generally rude enough as it is - gives those cyclists who are arseholes a legal right to now be an arsehole.

Be considerate and pull over to let cars and vans pass -
that is as likely as Downing Street not having another party in a lockdown!

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Tzimi · 31/01/2022 16:28

[quote Frozentoes2]@Tzimi

I think a bell should only be used on a footpath once a cyclist has stopped or is going so slowly that they could easily stop, and should be used as an alternative to saying excuse me.

So if you are cycling along and you see a family you should slow right down or stop behind them, and then say excuse me or ring your bell if you want to get past. Or even better, you could stop, get off of your bike, push it past them and then get on it again. That would only take a couple of seconds.

Ringing your bell whilst going fast is pressuring people to move out of your way quickly, whether you mean to or not. Because the pedestrians don’t know if you’re a reasonable person who will slow down in time if they don’t move, so have to assume that you won’t and jump out of the way to protect themselves.

Honestly if you have kids it can be really irritating to repeatedly have to quickly move them out of the way for someone on their bike. Toddlers don’t necessarily understand why it’s important to move quickly and there is always that worry some of the cyclists won’t stop in time.

And I don’t know why kids “darting around” enjoying themselves on a country walk ( as they should be!) would be an issue for you!? Because the onus is on you, a faster vehicle approaching from behind, to slow down before you get anywhere near them! The onus is not on the family to quickly move them out of your way, so that you don’t have to stop.

If I see a cyclist when driving I understand I need to slow down or even stop, and then only overtake once it’s safe. If I applied the logic that some cyclist apply to pedestrians on footpaths, I would toot my horn at the cyclists so they know I’m there, then expect them to quickly move onto the pavement (plus any kids cycling next to them), and then maybe shout thanks out the window if feeling generous![/quote]
I think you've somehow go the wrong idea! As a cyclist, I don't ring my bell at people demanding that they should immediately get out of the way, I do it to make them aware that I'm approaching! So they can gather up their children, dogs, drunken members of their party etc who hopefully will desist from zig-zagging across in front of me for a few seconds while I pass. After I've gone past, they can zip to & fro across the entire width of the path at high speed to their heart's content. Regarding coming up behind cyclists as a motorist, I have noticed that some of them do wobble around alarmingly, so letting them know that there is a vehicle nearby wanting to pass allows them to try & concentrate on going in a straight line for a few minutes.

I DO appreciate cyclists letting me know they are coming when they are behind me, because I also like to avoid treading on dog s*, cow pats, lumps of mud, potholes, big puddles etc. If I don't know that someone is directly behind me, I might move suddenly to one side to avoid these things, at the very moment a cyclist is right behind! As a cyclist, I would much rather risk annoying a pedestrian by ringing my bell, than risk injuring someone. Same thing as a motorist, and the same applies when coming to a sharp turn where you can't see what's around the bend.

Octomore · 31/01/2022 16:31

letting them know that there is a vehicle nearby wanting to pass

Seriously, why do you think this is necessary?

A bike has a bell because it is essentially a silent vehicle. People looking the other way have no way of hearing it coming.

But cyclists can hear cars driving behind them. To my knowledge, there is nothing in the Highway Code advocating tooting at cyclists to make them aware you want to overtake. So why do you do it?

When I am on my bike, I assume that cars that beep at me are aggressive/impatient. And I'm usually right.

Octomore · 31/01/2022 16:32

Also, if you are passing so close that a cyclist might 'wobble' into your path, you're passing too close. Although god knows where you are seeing all these 'wobbly' cyclists.

Octomore · 31/01/2022 16:39

Also, because a horn is designed to be heard by another car user, it's really bloody loud to people who aren't encased in an insulated metal box. It is startling. Why would you go out of your way to startle road users when there is no need to make them aware of your presence (because they can already hear you)?

Would you beep at a horse and rider if you came up behind them? If not, why not?

SockFluffInTheBath · 31/01/2022 16:47

@Octomore

Also, if you are passing so close that a cyclist might 'wobble' into your path, you're passing too close. Although god knows where you are seeing all these 'wobbly' cyclists.
They’re round my way as well Grin I think keeping a bike straight takes more strength and concentration that a lot of people realise or have capability for!
Tzimi · 31/01/2022 16:47

@Octomore

letting them know that there is a vehicle nearby wanting to pass

Seriously, why do you think this is necessary?

A bike has a bell because it is essentially a silent vehicle. People looking the other way have no way of hearing it coming.

But cyclists can hear cars driving behind them. To my knowledge, there is nothing in the Highway Code advocating tooting at cyclists to make them aware you want to overtake. So why do you do it?

When I am on my bike, I assume that cars that beep at me are aggressive/impatient. And I'm usually right.

Ok, granted, the majority of cyclists do pretty much go in a straight line & are pretty alert. But believe-you-me, I have seen some cyclists who weave around to an alarming extent, which actually made me feel concerned for their safety! I sort-of felt compelled to toot at them as if to say "Remember, you're actually on a road at the moment" & wake them from their day dream!
ifIwerenotanandroid · 31/01/2022 17:05

@ivykaty44

It won't hold the cyclists up much & it gets them (as the slower road users) safely behind the faster vehicles

But it’s drivers in 10 cities that are slower, not the cyclists
Link was further back in thread

Not where I live. It would make sense here & lead to less overtaking of cyclists, which should make them safer.
saygeronimo · 31/01/2022 17:12

@ifIwerenotanandroid I don't quite understand what you mean though? So some cars go first, then they stop and the bikes go?
You know that bikes go first so that cars can see them, and to allow them to get themselves into a safer position on the road? Also so if they want to go straight on it means they won't get hooked by cars turning.

What you're suggesting adds an extra "task" to the sequence of a junction. I don't think anyone would appreciate that tbh.

ifIwerenotanandroid · 31/01/2022 17:17

[quote OneTC]@ifIwerenotanandroid

I slightly despair at being used as a human traffic calming measure instead of a well designed road layout but the law is as it stands[/quote]
Sorry, I don't understand this.

I will just say, though, don't get me started on traffic calming measures. Grin There are some near me which are still causing accidents & apparently it's always the driver's fault, nothing to do with the design which has been changed at least twice now, even though we were told it was perfect when it was installed, everything's the driver's fault, people will get used to it, etc.

I told you not to get me started.Smile

ifIwerenotanandroid · 31/01/2022 17:26

[quote saygeronimo]@ifIwerenotanandroid I don't quite understand what you mean though? So some cars go first, then they stop and the bikes go?
You know that bikes go first so that cars can see them, and to allow them to get themselves into a safer position on the road? Also so if they want to go straight on it means they won't get hooked by cars turning.

What you're suggesting adds an extra "task" to the sequence of a junction. I don't think anyone would appreciate that tbh. [/quote]
I thought it was quite a sensible, if radical, idea. Yes, cars go first, then the lights change to stop cars & allow bikes to go. So when the bikes go, there won't be any cars moving at the junction. So it should be much safer for them. And at every junction, all the cars which have been held up by a bike will be free to go on their way without overtaking it, speeding up car journeys.

As to adding tasks to sequencing, why is that bad but according to half the people on this thread, being stuck behind a bike doing 5mph on a 50mph road is fine & drivers should just chill & leave a couple of hours early? Sorry to be facetious; actually if my idea solved the problem of bikes at junctions, I think drivers might like it.

OneTC · 31/01/2022 17:26

Forward stop boxes place cyclists in front of potentially faster moving vehicles, thus cyclists act as a traffic calming measure. If you've got cyclists ahead of you in the lane you can't boot it away from the lights

I think that there could be better road layouts and cycling infrastructure to prevent this (a11 in East London is quite a good example of better/improved infrastructure)

OneTC · 31/01/2022 17:28

I thought it was quite a sensible, if radical, idea. Yes, cars go first, then the lights change to stop cars & allow bikes to go.

That's basically the a11 now from aldgate to mile end. What you're overlooking is that there will be bikes sequenced before cars even if they come from a different branch on the junction

OneTC · 31/01/2022 17:31

The actual sequence is forward traffic and right turn traffic gets green lighted, either with cyclists slightly ahead on a segregated lane, whilst left turning drivers are held at a red while the segregated lane is green lighted

It works pretty well, still not ideal but better

There's also junctions where the segregated cycle lane isn't light controlled at all, whilst car traffic is held

daimbarsatemydogsbone · 31/01/2022 18:48

@JuergenSchwarzwald

It’s annoying that on footpaths the cyclists near me are so entitled that they just ring their bell and expect you to move so that they don’t have to brake or slow down

You could argue that it is just as entitled to expect to block a path as a slow-moving pedestrian.

Or that it’s just as entitled to hold up a whole line of motorised traffic by cycling slowly up a hill?
Cbtb · 31/01/2022 18:53

Not against the idea of cars being first off from lights in principles but where would you “hold” them while the cars pull off? Bikes can filter infront of cars and so set off first but cars can’t filter infront of bikes. So you might get a bike get to a red light first and then a car behind them. Where does the bike “go” so that the car can pull off first?

Momicrone · 31/01/2022 20:35

As a cyclist, and a pedestrian, I prefer the method of slowing down and saying excuse me please. The sound of a bicycle bell gives me the heebies

OneTC · 31/01/2022 21:56

As a cyclist, and a pedestrian, I prefer the method of slowing down and saying excuse me please

Ditto, people use them and interpret them so inconsistently so I don't use one. It's clear from threads on here that they aggravate the hell out of a lot of people

DixonD · 31/01/2022 22:49

@GoldenOmber

I presume you were all overtaking cyclists safely before this, and not trying to squeeze past them without crossing the line into the other lane?
This. I always give cyclists huge amounts of room. I usually go right over to the other side so would only pass when the road is clear.

I don’t understand the uproar, unless cyclists are in the middle of the road, rather than the middle of their LANE.

notquiteruralbliss · 01/02/2022 11:07

When hacking, if there's no room for a car to pass safely, I tend to move to the centre of the road or ride 2 abreast. I have found that, if there is a gap wide enough for a car to squeeze through, some motorists will try and do so, at speed. As soon as the road is wide enough, I drop back to single file, or, if there is an opportunity to do so, I pull in and let cars pass. I'm not trying to beat my time on strava though.

lampygirl · 01/02/2022 11:09

The bell is needed on shared use paths because while my experience is bikes tend to use them as if they are a road i.e cycle on the left, walkers don't tend to use them as if they are a road i.e walk towards 'traffic'. Bike paths don't seem to have the same set of rules as the road and given no instruction it's basically a mess for everyone trying to use them

We have a big network of cycle lanes here, and if everyone cycled on the left as traffic and walked on the right as if towards traffic you would not have the 'bikes coming whizzing past from behind' complaints because well a bike would never be coming from behind you, you would see each other coming and like a car would when encountering walkers in the road the bike could pull out around the walker when safe and the walker can see the bike coming so knows its a bit silly to suddenly dart to the other side of the path.

Tzimi · 01/02/2022 12:48

@OneTC

As a cyclist, and a pedestrian, I prefer the method of slowing down and saying excuse me please

Ditto, people use them and interpret them so inconsistently so I don't use one. It's clear from threads on here that they aggravate the hell out of a lot of people

But in that case why have you even got a bell on your bike, if you're just going to say "excuse me?" That's what the bell is for! That way you can rest your voice & use it more productively for singing along to the lovely music from your MP3 player!
OneTC · 01/02/2022 13:04
Grin

I don't have one fitted to any of my bikes actually. I try and avoid mixed use areas but if I have to be in one then I go slow and treat it like I'm driving, if I can't leave plenty of space to pass then I don't want anyone to feel hassled. I don't have any mixed areas on my city commuting, A-roads and cycle lanes all the way into the city. If I ever am in a mixed area then I'm there for a fun ride and not in a hurry

Grasping · 01/02/2022 21:25

@OneTC

Grin

I don't have one fitted to any of my bikes actually. I try and avoid mixed use areas but if I have to be in one then I go slow and treat it like I'm driving, if I can't leave plenty of space to pass then I don't want anyone to feel hassled. I don't have any mixed areas on my city commuting, A-roads and cycle lanes all the way into the city. If I ever am in a mixed area then I'm there for a fun ride and not in a hurry

Grin me neither

I have a box of bells and reflectors on my garage that have been provided with each bike we’ve ever bought, as per the law

Dovecare · 01/02/2022 23:24

Once these idiots are causing 5 mile tail backs they will need to change the law again

ivykaty44 · 01/02/2022 23:38

Once these idiots are causing 5 mile tail backs they will need to change the law again

Drivers love queuing, they do it ever week day on the M25, not sure that you’ll ever stop them doing this tbh and no laws against them being on the motorway. Often drivers do this on other major routes, usually just one person per car. Perhaps they should consider get more streamline vehicles without all the spare seats? May drastically reduce congestion-jyst an idea