To find this lady kicking off at nursery staff a bit much?

[ColonelHaiti]

My child goes to a good nursery. It's a chain. They have had issues, as we all have, with sickness and covid but kept going really well. Today I was waiting to be let in and one of the staff said they didn't have enough staff for the kids outside to come in and it would be 5 minutes. My little one was happy playing outside for 5 mins. Another mother royally kicked off though asking staff to close the blinds as its not fair her child sees other children playing while she's outside (said child didn't seem arsed), why is she paying ? Where are the staff etc?

I get she was pissed off but to kick off on the nursery staff who are there I thought was a bit steep. The nursery has kept open all through the pandemic with very little disruption.

I’m gonna say YABU and go on a bit of a feminist rant while I’m at it.

My kids were last at nursery pre-COVID but this also used to happen anyway - turning up on time but being made to wait because staff were late. Considering at some points I hadn’t long since returned to work after maternity leave, my work didn’t exactly love it when I was 10 minutes late due to this. Rightly or wrongly, women are always regarded as flakes if they’re late to work due to childcare issues. I often suspected the nursery didn’t consider the women had important enough jobs to be on time for. My friend who is a surgeon went to the same nursery and when this happened these few minutes really impacted her time and that of her patients.

Feminist rant bit: I think there is more scrutiny on woman than ever about their behaviour and we are now being ‘called out’ for being ‘Karen’s’ if we dare to be anything other than jolly and happy and joyfully accepting shit service from people we pay a fortune to. If it was a man making a very valid point that it’s ridiculous to make children wait in the cold because the nursery is incompetent, he’d be regarded as the hero of the hour. It when a woman does it, she’s ‘kicking off’. More women standing up to shit service says I! The nursery may have got through COVID but so had everybody else and not being able to get children in when they should is never OK. I am also done with COVID being an excuse and/or caveat for crappy service.

I also find it interesting that people say it’s ok to be annoyed but not ‘rude’. Was this woman rude? She didn’t swear or scream from what I see, she wasn’t abusive, she aired her annoyance. I guess anything other than simpering is considered rude WRT women

Those saying about tight turnarounds, I am sorry but leave earlier so it's not so tight then if this happens you still have time to get to work.

In my case, we got there for opening time on the dot. Me being 5 minutes earlier wouldn’t have helped. Ideally I’d have had a less pressured commute but London doesn’t lend itself well to that!

I’d never be rude, or lose my temper, but I’d definitely feel exasperated and it would definitely affect the rest of my day.

Those saying about tight turnarounds, I am sorry but leave earlier so it's not so tight then if this happens you still have time to get to work.

My DC’s old nursery used to open at 8am, entirely futile me being there for 7.55am.

@AsYouWishButtercup

I’m gonna say YABU and go on a bit of a feminist rant while I’m at it.

My kids were last at nursery pre-COVID but this also used to happen anyway - turning up on time but being made to wait because staff were late. Considering at some points I hadn’t long since returned to work after maternity leave, my work didn’t exactly love it when I was 10 minutes late due to this. Rightly or wrongly, women are always regarded as flakes if they’re late to work due to childcare issues. I often suspected the nursery didn’t consider the women had important enough jobs to be on time for. My friend who is a surgeon went to the same nursery and when this happened these few minutes really impacted her time and that of her patients.

Feminist rant bit: I think there is more scrutiny on woman than ever about their behaviour and we are now being ‘called out’ for being ‘Karen’s’ if we dare to be anything other than jolly and happy and joyfully accepting shit service from people we pay a fortune to. If it was a man making a very valid point that it’s ridiculous to make children wait in the cold because the nursery is incompetent, he’d be regarded as the hero of the hour. It when a woman does it, she’s ‘kicking off’. More women standing up to shit service says I! The nursery may have got through COVID but so had everybody else and not being able to get children in when they should is never OK. I am also done with COVID being an excuse and/or caveat for crappy service.

Really? 😂😂😂😂😂

Nursery don’t consider the women had important jobs to be on time?

I think that sometimes parents don’t realise how important an early years practitioner is, because plenty are happy to leave their children with us for 8 hrs a day but speak to us like shit.,

Everyone’s job is important whether you work in a nursery are a teacher or are a shop worker or a surgeon.

Respect works both ways.

Totally disagree that there it is anti feminist to suggest complaining to the manager who is in charge of the rotas rather than being frankly ridiculous to the workers that can do bugger all about it.

Weird angle imo

I often suspected the nursery didn’t consider the women had important enough jobs to be on time for.

I think it’s less this than people just existing in their own bubbles of work and not seeing how others’ circumstances are different.

The PP above who works in a nursery and details all the stress on staff in that workplace to get ready to get the kids in on time - I don’t doubt that’s stressful. But they’re then asking the clients to ‘leave earlier so it’s not so tight’ and not asking their employer to pay them more to make sure it’s open on time.

I appreciated all my childcare help, and I used a childminder AND a nursery when I was on my tight commute into London because my excellent CM couldn’t take both my DC on the days I needed and I was on a short-term late-notice contract so scrambling for available childcare with 2 under 3. We left the house all together in the car, dropped baby at CM at 7.45, then to nursery for 7.55 with 3 yr old, then my DH swung back to park the car while I did nursery handover and then legged it to an 8.10 train. Which got me through the doors at work at 9.15, contracted to start at 9.30. And that was already 1.5hrs later than my boss…

I think that sometimes parents don’t realise how important an early years practitioner is, because plenty are happy to leave their children with us for 8 hrs a day but speak to us like shit

It’s not at all unreasonable to expect the workers to be at work at the time they’re paid for.

Respect works both ways yes and so and it’s respectful to turn up to work on time so the paying party can go to their work on time. Working hard doesn’t mean you can just swan in when it suits at the park corner of your customers

*expense not park corner

Bloody hell people can be so self absorbed. All those going on about having to rush to catch trains/buses do you not stop and think for 1 minute that nursery staff might have to do the same to get to work? You can never be sure that buses or even trains will be on time atm with staff shortages

The staff don't live at the bloody nursery you know

@EveryFlightBeginsWithAFall

Bloody hell people can be so self absorbed. All those going on about having to rush to catch trains/buses do you not stop and think for 1 minute that nursery staff might have to do the same to get to work? You can never be sure that buses or even trains will be on time atm with staff shortages

The staff don't live at the bloody nursery you know

With respect that’s not the problem of the paying parents. That’s not something they should have to worry about.

@EveryFlightBeginsWithAFall

Bloody hell people can be so self absorbed. All those going on about having to rush to catch trains/buses do you not stop and think for 1 minute that nursery staff might have to do the same to get to work? You can never be sure that buses or even trains will be on time atm with staff shortages

The staff don't live at the bloody nursery you know

Of course! But that’s bad management on the nursery’s part if they haven’t contracted their staff to be on shift at 7.30 for an 8 o’clock ‘doors open’ time. Then if staff are 15 mins late it’s still on time for the clients.

No one should be rude to nursery staff trying their best, just like no one should be awful to
restaurant staff or retail workers.

But being exasperated that it’s not good enough, and complaining to management should definitely be acceptable.

@neverknowinglyunreasonable

She was completely within her rights to be angry and let them know. I find that over-worked, underpaid nursery staff who have worked through a pandemic and risked getting covid respond really well to being shouted at for being short-staffed.

Well done to her. I didn't vote for brexit only to be told I can't yell at the people I trust to take care of my kids.

Eh ?

@MissMaple82

If they don't have the staff they shouldn't be open. I'd be pissed too.

You'd be pissed waiting for 5 minutes but perfectly happy for the nursery to shut for the whole day? 5 minutes is nothing. Wait until you do school pick up.

Maybe those people who get pissed off having to wait 5 mins for staff should manage their time better? Maybe their work places should contract them to start half an hour earlier incase something comes up and they are late

Or is it just nursery staff ?

@AsYouWishButtercup

I think that sometimes parents don’t realise how important an early years practitioner is, because plenty are happy to leave their children with us for 8 hrs a day but speak to us like shit

It’s not at all unreasonable to expect the workers to be at work at the time they’re paid for.

Respect works both ways yes and so and it’s respectful to turn up to work on time so the paying party can go to their work on time. Working hard doesn’t mean you can just swan in when it suits at the park corner of your customers

How dare they catch covid.

@EveryFlightBeginsWithAFall

Maybe those people who get pissed off having to wait 5 mins for staff should manage their time better? Maybe their work places should contract them to start half an hour earlier incase something comes up and they are late

Or is it just nursery staff ?

My DC used to be in at 8am, which was the earliest the nursery opened. Quite often I was told “Can you wait outside as not all out staff have arrived yet”. This was a rural nursery with no public transport routes, all staff drove in.

Please enlighten me how I could have prevented this by managing my time better

@EveryFlightBeginsWithAFall

Maybe those people who get pissed off having to wait 5 mins for staff should manage their time better? Maybe their work places should contract them to start half an hour earlier incase something comes up and they are late

Or is it just nursery staff ?

Eh?

My work start time was based on me having 15 minutes slack. Train at 8.10, arrive at 9.15, paid from 9.30.

If I missed my train (5 minutes delay at nursery) I could juuust about, god and Southern Rail and London Transport willing, be in the door by 9.33ish. Late but not that late.

But my workplace wasn’t a service provider with an opening time but an office job.

I’d assume that if it was, they’d contract me to start half an hour earlier to do opening up tasks.

I think you’re just proving the ‘work bubble’ blinkered view thing.

How dare they catch covid or have their own families thet have to deal with in the mornings or have to catch public transport which isn't all that great right now

Don't they now these parents have very important work thet need to get to

I think that poster is suggesting that women should start later at work just in case nursery aren’t on the ball

You might find yourself getting in later if your train doesn't turn up at all. Do you think nursery staff live on the doorstep?

@EveryFlightBeginsWithAFall

Maybe those people who get pissed off having to wait 5 mins for staff should manage their time better? Maybe their work places should contract them to start half an hour earlier incase something comes up and they are late

Or is it just nursery staff ?

Any service provider with an opening time needs to open on time.

Doesn’t matter if it’s the gym, the bank, the doctor surgery, the supermarket or a childcare provider. If you state an opening time you open on time, and the service providers job (as a business/employer) is to structure employee shifts to do this.

@EveryFlightBeginsWithAFall

How dare they catch covid or have their own families thet have to deal with in the mornings or have to catch public transport which isn't all that great right now

Don't they now these parents have very important work thet need to get to

Again? The other parents are the ones that are paying and it’s not their problem if the nursery staff are running late.

I work in a school and if I said to my Head “Oh sorry I couldn’t make my lesson in time, little Timmy wouldn’t put his socks on, those parents had better understand” i’d get an almighty blocking

@EveryFlightBeginsWithAFall

You might find yourself getting in later if your train doesn't turn up at all. Do you think nursery staff live on the doorstep?

I’m not sure you’re not being deliberately goady now.

If you are saying that in your particular nursery you were often made to wait pre pandemic regularly that's an entirely different situation that's being described here - and surely you can appreciate that speaking to the manager about the service is more productive than making strange requests to pull blinds.

I can't stand the whole Karen stuff but does that mean you can go around talking to people like crap because that's your right as a woman - no.