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Chinese Burn

78 replies

Besswess88 · 24/01/2022 22:08

Is this racist?

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SquirrelG · 25/01/2022 05:26

I've heard it all now!

hugr · 25/01/2022 05:35

Honestly it's not worth asking it on MN because you'll get all those who say it's not racist because it doesn't personally offend them and they've used the term before, and completely ignoring any reasonable discussion about why things might be racist even if they don't overtly cause offence or harm.

Simonjt · 25/01/2022 05:39

This is MN, unless it’s the N word people will be falling over themselves to defend racism and explain why they think it isn’t racist, such as “I have an imaginery Chinese friend”.

People who sensibly point out racism will be called woke, a snowflake and generally mocked. Odd that racists don’t like being called racist, especially when they obviously see racism as a good thing.

Ilovenutellaaaaa · 25/01/2022 05:58

www.lbc.co.uk/radio/special-shows/the-mystery-hour/words/why-is-it-called-a-chinese-burn-54981/
It comes on the burn you get while doing a martial arts move....a Chinese martial arts....why does everybody assume everything is offensive and racist without checking the meaning/history of something...the term was never invented to make fun of Chinese people or oppress them,it is nothing to do with Chinese people at all, its to do with a martial arts move

Ilovenutellaaaaa · 25/01/2022 05:59

*comes from the burn

Ellowyn · 25/01/2022 06:00

English muffins

Marmelace · 25/01/2022 06:03

Gosh, not a term I've heard in a long time. Just had a quick Google to see where it actually originates from. Apparently it comes from a martial arts move where an opponent throws the other. Though it is the Internet so may be wrong.

Marmelace · 25/01/2022 06:04

@Ilovenutellaaaaa

www.lbc.co.uk/radio/special-shows/the-mystery-hour/words/why-is-it-called-a-chinese-burn-54981/ It comes on the burn you get while doing a martial arts move....a Chinese martial arts....why does everybody assume everything is offensive and racist without checking the meaning/history of something...the term was never invented to make fun of Chinese people or oppress them,it is nothing to do with Chinese people at all, its to do with a martial arts move
Glad it's not just me that looks into things.
whatwouldsueheckdo · 25/01/2022 06:54

Funnily enough, I noticed the other day that my kids call them wrist burns. Not sure how or where they learnt it.

hugr · 25/01/2022 06:56

@Ilovenutellaaaaa

www.lbc.co.uk/radio/special-shows/the-mystery-hour/words/why-is-it-called-a-chinese-burn-54981/ It comes on the burn you get while doing a martial arts move....a Chinese martial arts....why does everybody assume everything is offensive and racist without checking the meaning/history of something...the term was never invented to make fun of Chinese people or oppress them,it is nothing to do with Chinese people at all, its to do with a martial arts move
Ah yes, Alan from Bushey who does Krav Maga (an Israeli martial art) is the absolute authority on the etymology of a Chinese burn.
Haveyoubrushedyourteethtoday · 25/01/2022 07:21

Liverpool kiss Grin

phishy · 25/01/2022 07:23

@Broblem

Is Mexican Wave racist too? And Scot Free as someone suggested??? And French Kiss, and Dutch braids, and American Tan tights, and a Brazilian bikini wax, etc etc etc??? Where do you draw the line?!!

Mexican Wave - either first invented or popularized in Mexico, when the World Cup was held there.

Dutch Braids - first popularized (in Europe, at least) in the Netherlands.

Brazilian bikini wax - originated in Brazil.

Scot Free - see upthread. Does not refer to Scotland or Scottish people.

So far as I can tell, the name ‘Chinese burn’ or ‘Indian burn’ was born from negative attitudes towards those groups, rather than the origin of the practice. The etymology is a bit unclear though.

The only one from your list that is somewhat similar is ‘French Kiss’ - in that it was named by non-French people based on their perceptions of how French people behave, rather than just referring to the place where something was invented or popularized.

Exactly!
phishy · 25/01/2022 07:23

@whatwouldsueheckdo

Funnily enough, I noticed the other day that my kids call them wrist burns. Not sure how or where they learnt it.
It seems kids are more aware than grown ass women on MN.
Sundancerintherain · 25/01/2022 07:31

My grand nephew calls them twisty burns.
Also, in Merseyside a Liverpool kiss is also somerimes known as a Kirby kiss ( area of liverpool) , now that's specific Grin

AuntieStella · 25/01/2022 07:39

Twisty burns is a good one - I was trying to think if any alternative name existed

We could do with one for Chinese whispers to. It's a useful concept

TomPinch · 25/01/2022 07:48

@Haveyoubrushedyourteethtoday

Liverpool kiss Grin
No. Glasgow kiss!
Momicrone · 25/01/2022 07:50

Irish goodbye?

HelloFrostyMorning · 25/01/2022 12:07

@madisonbridges

French kissing in the USA. Was there ever a more racist song?
Grin
HelloFrostyMorning · 25/01/2022 12:13

@phishy

It seems kids are more aware than grown ass women on MN.

Oh the irony, of you looking down on the women on here, and then saying something a bratty schoolkid would say.

'Grown-ass women?!' What are you? 13?

TheVanguardSix · 25/01/2022 12:15

Irish as Paddy's Pig sure is. And people still say it.

TheVanguardSix · 25/01/2022 12:17

To all of you with your kisses, Scottish, French, Liverpool... Kirby Grin... didn't even know about that one... all I can say is póg mo thóin.

Butteryflakycrust83 · 25/01/2022 12:31

Yes, it has racist origins.

The end.

HelloFrostyMorning · 25/01/2022 13:08

@Butteryflakycrust83

Yes, it has racist origins.

The end.

Well that's told all of us then eh?

Good job the all-knowing-oracle @Butteryflakycrust83 is here to put us all straight.

I bow to your greatness oh wise one.

phishy · 25/01/2022 13:09

[quote HelloFrostyMorning]@phishy

It seems kids are more aware than grown ass women on MN.

Oh the irony, of you looking down on the women on here, and then saying something a bratty schoolkid would say.

'Grown-ass women?!' What are you? 13?[/quote]
haha, not 13, but I know how to annoy racists Grin

ComeOnSpringtime · 25/01/2022 13:24

and then saying something a bratty schoolkid would say.

'Grown-ass women?!' What are you? 13?

You do know some people actually talk that way? It isn't for 'bratty school kids' because it's considered sweary. If anything, school kids would talk that way to sound cool or more grown up.