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Ed Sec 'Sir' Gav threatened MP with school loss if he voted to feed poor kids

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noblegiraffe · 22/01/2022 20:43

The former education secretary and, if reports are to be believed, future knight Gavin Williamson has been named as the person who threatened Christian Wakeford, recently defecting MP, with withdrawal of funding for a new school in his constituency if he voted that disadvantaged children should continue to receive free school meals during the holidays in a pandemic.

The at the time EDUCATION SECRETARY threatened to withdraw funding for a much-needed SCHOOL if an MP voted to feed disadvantaged CHILDREN.

And Johnson wants to give this guy a knighthood.

It's generally accepted in parliament that the whips will blackmail you into voting with the government if they have any compromising material on you, and that this happens under any flavour of government.

This seems to be a new low though. The taxpayers in that constituency possibly losing out on funding for critical public services dependent on whether their MP toes the line? That's withdrawal of OUR money they're using as a threat.

And for the Education Secretary to have no qualms about dangling a school as a carrot/stick? What does that say about the quality of leadership in that particular cabinet that someone wholly unsuited to the role was kept in post so long? Oh yes, it's because, rumours have it, that Gavin Williamson has a notebook of kompromat on Boris himself.

This incident needs to be properly and independently investigated, and the whole system of whips bullying MPs into voting in a particular way needs to be binned. It's not how things should be done in a democratic society. If you can't persuade your own MPs vote for a piece of legislation then it doesn't deserve to go through.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/51970b6c-7ba9-11ec-846f-fcbd721f9c02?shareToken=3eac611e72e4e4bed53c76f36da9d326

YABU: it is fine to use taxpayers' money to make MPs vote for abhorrent legislation.

YANBU: What the hell?

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Piggywaspushed · 22/01/2022 20:47

As you frequently tell us Noble, the Tories don't give a shit about our children, their education, or their welfare.

They still don't ; they never have ; they never will.

Piggywaspushed · 22/01/2022 20:47

Come out , come out whoever you are, those who think this behaviour is fine...

BrightYellowDaffodil · 22/01/2022 20:48

Who the fuck voted YABU?!

JanglyBeads · 22/01/2022 20:48

No vote enabled?

It's all a game to them isn't it?

shergarsrevenge · 22/01/2022 20:49

Ironically the good people of Radcliffe will be probably miffed off that they’ve lost out on a school rather than the attack on integrity which it certainly is.

shergarsrevenge · 22/01/2022 20:50

That’s how little faith in the electorate of the uk Sad

DorothyZbornakIsAQueen · 22/01/2022 20:50

It is sickening. Vile. Absolutely abhorrent.

I cannot believe anyone has voted yabu!!

Arseholes.

Piggywaspushed · 22/01/2022 20:59

@shergarsrevenge

Ironically the good people of Radcliffe will be probably miffed off that they’ve lost out on a school rather than the attack on integrity which it certainly is.
I think the school did happen. But now they will know it nearly didn't. Looks like The Red Wall actually got a reasonable one in Bury South. Which I am entirely sure was accidental when Christian Wakeford was selected. They should have checked out how right wing he was with some sort of probe.
noblegiraffe · 22/01/2022 21:03

This, of course, isn't the first time that MPs have complained of threats of withdrawal of constituency funding if they don't vote a particular way.

It's how the Owen Paterson vote got pushed through:

www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/boris-johnson-faces-legal-action-over-alleged-threat-to-levelling-up-funds/ar-AARa30U

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noblegiraffe · 22/01/2022 21:09

@Piggywaspushed

Come out , come out whoever you are, those who think this behaviour is fine...
I guess those posters are happy to click the button, but know it's actually indefensible.
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shergarsrevenge · 22/01/2022 21:19

If you look at his voting history it is text book Tory sadly. I guess we must take comfort from the fact that there is evidence of a moral compass, albeit a bit hit and miss.

noblegiraffe · 22/01/2022 21:27

The textbook Tory would have voted not to feed hungry disadvantaged children in the holidays during a pandemic. Wakeford abstained.

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Yubaba · 22/01/2022 21:28

Radcliffe had 2 high schools and the labour council merged them in 2004 and then closed them permanently in 2014 leaving the town with no high school at all so they’ve not come out of it smelling of roses either.

noblegiraffe · 22/01/2022 21:40

You are comparing a Labour council closing a school with a Tory Education Secretary breaking the ministerial code and using withholding taxpayers' money as a threat against an MP?

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noblegiraffe · 22/01/2022 21:52

If Labour hadn't closed the original school then Gav wouldn't have been able to threaten Wakeford with withholding funding for a new one so really it's Labour's fault. Hmm

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daimbarsatemydogsbone · 22/01/2022 21:57

There’s always a Tory shill along to explain away how everything is Labour’s fault actually.
Time we were rid of these filthy corrupt Tory wankers.

shergarsrevenge · 22/01/2022 22:08

Tbf the respective Tory and then Labour councils both cocked up. Neither comes out well of this. The previous labour MP Ivan Lewis I think had been trying to get a secondary school in the town for several years.

shergarsrevenge · 22/01/2022 22:10

The town has been neglected for years. Funnily enough now it’s a Tory marginal (or was) it’s been earmarked for regeneration funds Grin

noblegiraffe · 22/01/2022 22:14

The previous labour MP Ivan Lewis I think had been trying to get a secondary school in the town for several years.

And that couldn't be done by the Labour council because the government decreed in their Education Act of 2011 that all new schools had to be free schools approved by the Secretary of State.

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Broblem · 22/01/2022 22:20

There’s always a Tory shill along to explain away how everything is Labour’s fault actually.
Are they paid to work weekends?

Yubaba · 22/01/2022 22:21

I’m absolutely not a Tory shill, I’ve never voted for them in my life, I am however a resident of the constituency and neither party has Radcliffes best interest at heart.
The Labour Party have consistently neglected the town for years and the Conservative party are disgusting for blackmailing the local MP.

Yubaba · 22/01/2022 22:26

Oh and the conservative MP of the neighbouring constituency was double dipping being paid as an MP and a local councillor.

www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/bury-mp-salary-question-parliament-18564759.amp

RufustheFloralmissingreindeer · 22/01/2022 22:26

The Labour Party have consistently neglected the town for years and the Conservative party are disgusting for blackmailing the local MP

This thread is about the blackmailing bit

The shiteness of labour should really be another thread

If we know about the blackmailing habits of labour whips then it would probably have more of a bearing

noblegiraffe · 22/01/2022 22:59

I'm sure Labour whips also use or have used coercive methods to get their MPs to vote in line with expectations. The whole system stinks.

Whether they've used the threat of withdrawing public funding, I don't know. Obviously they don't currently have that option.

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RufustheFloralmissingreindeer · 22/01/2022 23:07

I'm sure Labour whips also use or have used coercive methods to get their MPs to vote in line with expectations. The whole system stinks

Of course they have…and i have no doubt that it happens whatever government is in power