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Ex and his girlfriend

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Cakequeen1988 · 15/01/2022 10:48

Myself and my ex got on ok co parenting for the last 2 years. However since he got his new girlfriend he has changed. He has stopped paying maintenance and despite CMS ruling he should is contesting this.

We video chat with the kids on the nights we aren’t with them. Now he doesn’t want to on the weekend. So he doesn't have to bother with the kids and can swan off without his children ‘interrupting’ and he doesn’t want me to call them at weekend either. He stated to me ‘it’s happening’

We agreed to trial not speaking to the children Saturday nights. Thus yesterday (Friday) I explain to the children that we will be doing this as they are having so much fun at whichever parents it’s nice for them to not have to interrupt playing to call. I was neutral about it and did not express my feelings (I am never too busy to call them and would like to!)

When my son Spoke to his dad last night the first thing he said was I want to call mummy on Saturdays. I then hear his girlfriend start shouting in the background, in front of the children they both start shouting on video chat at me saying it didn’t need mentioning, I’ve blown it up into something it didn’t need to be. That I’ve been ridiculous.

Firstly if a change is occurring I want the children to know, otherwise what will they think? Mummy and daddy don’t bother calling anymore??? They will have no explanation for it.

Secondly I think shouting in front of the kids was unreasonable and I quickly went into another room and asked the shouting to stop. It didn’t.

His girlfriend grabbed the phone shouting at me. I hung up on her. She is not in this co parenting arrangement I believe it is between me and Ex and don’t expect her to be shouting at me, it’s nothing to do with her

AIBU - I shouldn’t have said anything and the calls just stopped on Saturdays. Their reaction was justified.

YANBU - it’s important to explain to children a change and show you support it (kids aged 7 and 4) their behaviour was unacceptable.

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ponkydonkey · 15/01/2022 12:32

My ex call my son whenever he likes and I can call him too....

If my children want to talk to me if someone said they couldn't I be really upset as they would be too...

And he's not even paying maintenance, I'd have a serious chat with him and let him know it's not acceptable and if it continues shouting, grabbing phones and refusal to speak to your children etc
Back to court we go!

Ricksteinsfishwife · 15/01/2022 12:41

It’s not about the calls, though? OP said yes to that.It’s the girlfriend shouting in front of tye dc

A more cynical person might think the op had indicated to the kids she wasn’t happy about the no more calls and given lip service to it being a good idea, , not just because she’s clearly not happy about it or that the child immediately mentioned they wished to speak to their mother, first thing, very quickly. She said she didn’t, so I’m sure she didn’t, but I can see why they might think she’s behind it. But shouting is never ok.

I do wonder if the op is struggling to move on, she says she’s never too busy on a sat night, and does seem to bear some resentment to her ex
S new partner, possibly justified, possibly not.

I suspect their side might be very different in this instance.

Willyoujustbequiet · 15/01/2022 12:50

Disgraceful behaviour from the girlfriend and him from stopping child maintenance.

It's up to the child surely. If that's what's been happening up to now and they want it to continue then he's not acting in their best interests is he.

Dont drop the child support claim and do not engage with her at all in future.

Cherrysoup · 15/01/2022 12:54

Tell him to get a court order if he wants to have contact. Preventing the children from talking to you if they’ve asked is unacceptable. Why is he contesting the cms?!

Gardeningdream · 15/01/2022 12:58

@Cherrysoup

Tell him to get a court order if he wants to have contact. Preventing the children from talking to you if they’ve asked is unacceptable. Why is he contesting the cms?!
Would you advise a man to do the same? They both have parental rights and it does seem that the nightly video calls are instructive. The key question here are the kids so upset to be away from the op that they cannot go a day without speaking to her, or would they in reality be totally fine and this needs to stop. This isn’t he’s demanding the kids can’t speak to her, what he’s saying is they need to stop the nightly video calls as a routine and most posters agree with him

The cms issue is separate and the op needs to explain why he’s now challenging that. Has his circumstances changed?

aSofaNearYou · 15/01/2022 13:05

I would never have instigated this set up with the calls tbh, I do find it very intrusive. If this is indicative of a general approach then I think there could be areas in which YABU.

But obviously everything else on their part is massively unreasonable.

Cakequeen1988 · 15/01/2022 14:28

To just clarify a point he also video calls the kids when they are at mine. It isn’t driven by me it is what was agreed mutually when we split and has been the case for 2.5 years.

OP posts:
Cakequeen1988 · 15/01/2022 14:28

His CMS circumstances haven’t changed. We did it via a family agreement which he stopped paying

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Lachimolala · 15/01/2022 18:04

@Cakequeen1988

To just clarify a point he also video calls the kids when they are at mine. It isn’t driven by me it is what was agreed mutually when we split and has been the case for 2.5 years.
So basically everything was fine with co-parenting until he got a girlfriend? That’s actually a real shame, he shouldn’t be letting that happen.
Cakequeen1988 · 15/01/2022 18:10

Yes all has been well until she got involved. I can’t believe how she behaved and am not sure how to deal with it to be honest. She’ll be around my kids and called his house ‘our house’ to the kids so she obviously feels well settled in!

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phishy · 15/01/2022 18:50

She sounds like an utter loon, OP.

Not sure if ex has been lying to her about you, but don’t let her bully you.

Nowhereelsetogo90 · 15/01/2022 19:19

She shouldn’t be getting overly involved, especially if she can’t behave like an adult! I’d go email only so kids aren’t exposed to shouting and arguing.

MzHz · 15/01/2022 21:20

Perhaps she’s got through to him just how stupid this video stuff is

You’re both over parenting and over involved, it will not help the kids or either of you in the long run. Unenmesh

nalabae · 15/01/2022 21:39

She’s nasty but this no calling thing is dumb

Notanotheruser111 · 15/01/2022 22:00

If you’ve been doing the same thing for 2.5 years then it’s not unreasonable that the kids get some explanation as to why it’s stopped. I think you went about it the wrong way though doing it over zoom without warning.

TicTacHoh · 15/01/2022 22:05

Couldn't you have explained to the kids before they went to his house for the weekend?

nitsandwormsdodger · 15/01/2022 22:19

The kids should be allowed to call whenever they want , they are old enough to hold a phone themselves and can wander off to a bedroom to chat so I can’t see how it can be all that intrusive , I’d be tempted to buy them their own cheap phone for that purpose
I’d get a legal letter or some such telling them that shouting like that will result In contact in a centre only ,
And make it clear all future communication will be email only , I would find some articles about how behaving like that is harmful to the kids and email them to HIM , block all contact with her

Lachimolala · 15/01/2022 22:49

@MzHz

Perhaps she’s got through to him just how stupid this video stuff is

You’re both over parenting and over involved, it will not help the kids or either of you in the long run. Unenmesh

She’s not part of their co-parenting agreement, it’s none of her business, and even if it was her business behaviour is still completely and utterly inappropriate and he’s being a piss poor parent allowing a new girlfriend to decide how OP and his children are going to be parented. Allowing her to scream and shouting at OP in front of the kids and joining in. That is not okay.

Secondly it’s a mutual agreement that they both came up with 2.5 years ago. If he wanted to change that he could’ve said at any time.

I think it’s far more likely she’s the driving force behind this and I’d bet she’s the one behind the sudden maintenance refusal also.

It’s pathetic how some dads will do this as soon as they start getting their end away again, he should be putting his kids first by working to ensure a once amicable and working co-parenting relationship stays so.

phishy · 15/01/2022 22:57

@TicTacHoh

Couldn't you have explained to the kids before they went to his house for the weekend?
That’s what she did.
aSofaNearYou · 15/01/2022 23:19

@nitsandwormsdodger

The kids should be allowed to call whenever they want , they are old enough to hold a phone themselves and can wander off to a bedroom to chat so I can’t see how it can be all that intrusive , I’d be tempted to buy them their own cheap phone for that purpose I’d get a legal letter or some such telling them that shouting like that will result In contact in a centre only , And make it clear all future communication will be email only , I would find some articles about how behaving like that is harmful to the kids and email them to HIM , block all contact with her
The intrusive comments aren't just about seeing the house, it's about how much nightly phone calls interrupt quality time.
MzHz · 16/01/2022 11:56

This parenting is poor. The kids won’t learn the right things about families

The girlfriend should walk away, because this guy ISNT a good parent and he’s a poor partner and ex partner

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